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08-02-2013, 09:41 AM
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Me: It's a good sign when...

posters and media are talking and sometimes complaining about:

-the leafs being 1 or 2 million above the cap over a month away from the season starting

-some of our players may not resign or fit under the cap about a year from now

-the empty platinum seats at the start of each period

-what number dave bolland will wear?

-what number david clarkson will wear?

-how does mark fraser feel about giving his number up to bernier?

-the name of our new division



when you think of it, it's all comical and just shows you that we actually for once have a good team going into next season

for once, when i think of the leafs roster, i actually feel good and can't wait till the season starts

go leafs go

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08-02-2013, 10:31 AM
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can't wait till the season starts
Sums up my thoughts on this

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08-02-2013, 10:40 AM
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We finally have a solid core of quality prime or younger players at every position: Kadri, Lupul, Kessel, Gardiner, Phaneuf, JVR, Gunnarson, Franson, Bernier, and Reimer. As well as some excellent gritty, two-way players in guys like McClement, Kulemin, Bolland, and Clarkson to compliment them and grind out wins.

We also have a blue-chip prospect in Rielly, as well as some great prospect depth. This is the best organizational position the Leafs have been in for quite some time. As long as we can lock down Dion and Phil before next summer, which I'm reasonably confident in us being able to do, things are looking up in Leaf land.

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08-02-2013, 12:13 PM
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I don't fear losing Dion as much as losing Phil.
We can take Dion's $6.5 and replace him.
We can't take Phil's $5.4 and replace him.

The most enjoyable aspect as a fan of the team IMO is the clearly defined roles for the forwards. Everyone has a job.
Bozak is misplaced as a #1 centre and IMO the only player playing out of place.
The other 5 top 6 players are clearly offensive players. 3rd line is a great checking line and penalty killers and 4th line will be low priced muckers and energy guys.
In years passed we had too many Stajan's, Connolly's, MacArthurs that could play a little PP or PK, 1, 2, or 3rd line but were not ideal in any role.
The goaltending is solid.
Defense still a little up in the air but the pieces are in place to be fine.

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08-02-2013, 12:45 PM
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We can take Dion's $6.5 and replace him.
How?

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08-02-2013, 12:50 PM
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How?
Obviously guys like Granberg ,Holzer , and Blacker are just SOO much more proven and better than Dion easily!11111

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08-02-2013, 01:05 PM
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Dion is not easily replaced, but I like our chances of finding a replacement for him more than I like our chances of finding a replacement for Kessel, that's for sure. Kessel is priority #1.

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Free-agency. Player like Dion get to FA pretty often, but even still we have Gardiner and Rielly coming up, so hopefully one of them can replace him. We don't have any Kessel like scorers coming up.

I'm not saying let Dion walk, but he would surely be easier to replace than Kessel

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08-02-2013, 01:22 PM
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Free-agency. Player like Dion get to FA pretty often, but even still we have Gardiner and Rielly coming up, so hopefully one of them can replace him. We don't have any Kessel like scorers coming up.

I'm not saying let Dion walk, but he would surely be easier to replace than Kessel
When was the last time a #1 Dman made it to UFA? Niedermayer? Chara? That's really all I can think of.

And Niedermayer was going no where else than Anahiem to play with his brother.

I'm sure there are other #1 Dmen that are 'scheduled' to be a UFA next summer, but they won't make it there, they will either get locked up or traded to a team that will lock them up.

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very true OP.

there's not a lot to complain about in leaf land these days.

the team looks solid going into next season.

the moves we've made this offseason have all been good ones IMO. we're a stronger team going into next season. we signed the most desired free agent. we got the guy who scored the stanley cup winning goal. we signed one of the most promising goalie prospects who is ready to play.

the last thing that needs to happen is we need to find a way to keep Franson. But even if for some reason that didn't happen, we'd still have a very good team next year. Adding Ranger and having Gardiner play will already improve our defense a lot. If Rielly plays, that's another potential bonus.

There aren't any guys on the team who I think are weak links. I'm happy with the group we've got.

I think we could win the cup next year.

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I'm am just blown away there isn't more talk about actually having a decent goalie finally.

I think it's been so long for Leaf's fans, they don't even know what a good goalie looks like (or what it does for a team.)

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08-02-2013, 01:35 PM
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I'm am just blown away there isn't more talk about actually having a decent goalie finally.

I think it's been so long for Leaf's fans, they don't even know what a good goalie looks like (or what it does for a team.)
Its easier to be negative than it is to be positive

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When was the last time a #1 Dman made it to UFA? Niedermayer? Chara? That's really all I can think of.

And Niedermayer was going no where else than Anahiem to play with his brother.

I'm sure there are other #1 Dmen that are 'scheduled' to be a UFA next summer, but they won't make it there, they will either get locked up or traded to a team that will lock them up.
I'd argue it was Suter last year if his play from this year continues, but overall you're right. People who think Dion is easily replaceable are out to lunch on not only their hockey knowledge but their common sense as well.

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We already had a decent goalie.

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posters and media are talking and sometimes complaining about:

-the leafs being 1 or 2 million above the cap over a month away from the season starting

-some of our players may not resign or fit under the cap about a year from now

-the empty platinum seats at the start of each period

-what number dave bolland will wear?

-what number david clarkson will wear?

-how does mark fraser feel about giving his number up to bernier?

-the name of our new division



when you think of it, it's all comical and just shows you that we actually for once have a good team going into next season

for once, when i think of the leafs roster, i actually feel good and can't wait till the season starts

go leafs go
But, but we're doomed! All the advanced statistics say so!

If only we had a center to skate around in circles, get hammered repeatedly by the opposing team and score a bunch of goals when it doesn't matter...

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08-02-2013, 02:07 PM
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On the point of its being easier to replace Dion than Kessel.

Is that not obvious? We have no one with elite offensive potential in the system and to acquire through trade is a hell of a lot harder than a solid D man.

Getting a solid #4 D man who excels in the shut down role to replace Dion is better than a 20 goal scorer replacing Kessel.

Rielly and Gardiner are both capable of one day pushing down Phaneuf in the depth chart, and yes, I am the type of fan who would like to see what the potential return for Phaneuf would be.

#1 priority should be extending Kessel.
#2 priority should be extending Phaneuf, follow by shopping him if he does not fit in the Nonis future, or if he is demanding too much.

I would rather over pay Kessel than Phaneuf.

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How?
I'm not saying he's easily replaceable, but we could probably fill in quite a bit of the gap Phaneuf would leave with our now-depth guys like Gardiner, Franson and Rielly, and a UFA signing/trade.

Losing Kessel would **** our forward lines right up and we can't replace his ability to draw the top shutdown units attention while still scoring at a PPG pace. We'd have to replace that production, and the loss of production that would effect Kadri/Lupul who would now face those defenders.

Losing either would hurt, but we'd probably be able to make up more ground losing Phaneuf than Kessel.

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We already had a decent goalie.
Bernier has an outrageously higher ceiling then Reimer.

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Bernier has an outrageously higher ceiling then Reimer.
What are you basing this on?

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Bernier has an outrageously higher ceiling then Reimer.
I just like that fact that there will be a battle between the two to be the #1 goalie. It means that there should be no 'worries' when the backup comes in either.

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Bernier has an outrageously higher ceiling then Reimer.
Outrageously higher ceiling?

Never mind ceiling... Reimer had a 2.46GAA and a .924SV% and was 19-8-5 last year. What kind of goalie do you think Bernier is if he's going to be "outrageously" better than that?

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What are you basing this on?
Watch them both play maybe ? Generally fan and professional consensus ?

Like I said, Leaf fans defend their team and their perception of the team to death, although, they don't even know what they don't have.

Bernier is easily the biggest addition to the roster and will change the team's success quite significantly.

Bernier is miles ahead of the tending seen in the last several years.

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Outrageously higher ceiling?

Never mind ceiling... Reimer had a 2.46GAA and a .924SV% and was 19-8-5 last year. What kind of goalie do you think Bernier is if he's going to be "outrageously" better than that?
Goalie's numbers are just as reflective as the team in front of him. I'll wait until you've had a season with Bernier before having this discussion.

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We already had a decent goalie.
Good > Decent.


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Goalie's numbers are just as reflective as the team in front of him. I'll wait until you've had a season with Bernier before having this discussion.
So Leafs > Kings I guess, seeing as Reimer has had similar numbers to Bernier in the last few seasons?

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