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08-02-2013, 03:01 PM
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WWAC Top 20 Prospects Ranking

Prospect ranking for the Leafs organization, bringing newly drafted prospects into the equation while seeing a number of others graduate. With players like Nazem Kadri, Ben Scrivens, Matt Frattin, Korbinian Holzer, Jake Gardiner and Joe Colborne having graduated in recent years, finding their spots in the NHL, the rankings look considerably different this time around.

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That sure is a list of Leafs prospects with Rielly first and the rest in some order. Unfortunately it's not a particularly compelling read with zero justification given.

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Having some reason as to why the rankings are like that would be great. BTW, having Blacker ahead of Guathier, Biggs, Finn, Percy is just insane.

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I thought Finn would be higher than 8th, top 5 IMO

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No offense WeWantaCup...but I feel like you don't know too much about the sport of hockey.

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That sure is a list of Leafs prospects with Rielly first and the rest in some order. Unfortunately it's not a particularly compelling read with zero justification given.
Traditionally prospect rankings (in any sport) are done in order to provide a base or framework by which people can assess where a prospect sits on the "depth chart" and you'll seldom find justification for each player. A full-prospect report and rationale for my one player is ranked where he is takes away from the ranking itself which is exactly why, at the conclusion of the article, it reads "If you have any questions on specific players, or my rationale for a specific ranking, PM me.


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Finn's definitely top 5 (probably #2 or 3) and Gauthier behind Granberg and Blacker? huh?

Edit: Although I think my biggest problem is with Leivo at #2... Kid's good, not that good though.

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Having some reason as to why the rankings are like that would be great. BTW, having Blacker ahead of Guathier, Biggs, Finn, Percy is just insane.
First of all, the top 8 is definitely the nucleus and then the depth chart tails off a fair bit, so in saying Gauthier, Biggs, Finn, Percy can be justified as being ranked ahead of Blacker isn't all that far off. With that said, Blacker has taken huge strides and is an extremely mobile young defender who will get huge minutes with Steve Spott this year with the Marlies. He also has a higher ceiling than Percy who plays a more passive, mistake free game than Blacker and Finn who has the intangibles and the noticeable shot but lacks the ability to move around the rink like Blacker. Blacker has NHL footwork, Percy and Finn don't (as of yet).

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Finn's definitely top 5 (probably #2 or 3) and Gauthier behind Granberg and Blacker? huh?

Edit: Although I think my biggest problem is with Leivo at #2... Kid's good, not that good though.
Granberg was outstanding with Edler on Sweden's top pairing at the World Championships and was a man among boys when I saw him at the Leafs orientation camp earlier in the summer at the MasterCard Centre.

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Blacker is 500 spots too high.

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First of all, the top 8 is definitely the nucleus and then the depth chart tails off a fair bit, so in saying Gauthier, Biggs, Finn, Percy can be justified as being ranked ahead of Blacker isn't all that far off. With that said, Blacker has taken huge strides and is an extremely mobile young defender who will get huge minutes with Steve Spott this year with the Marlies. He also has a higher ceiling than Percy who plays a more passive, mistake free game than Blacker and Finn who has the intangibles and the noticeable shot but lacks the ability to move around the rink like Blacker. Blacker has NHL footwork, Percy and Finn don't (as of yet).
Is that why he couldnt even get top pairing minutes in the AHL?

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Is that why he couldnt even get top pairing minutes in the AHL?
He was really only behind Ranger, Gardiner and Kostka who at the time was putting up PPG at the AHL level and playing extremely well. He'll get huge minutes this year.

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No offense WeWantaCup...but I feel like you don't know too much about the sport of hockey.
None taken. In all honesty, I'm just a regular fan I grew up playing the game and really love the Leafs.I am no expert I guess the only thing I'm really well versed at is how I feel as a life long fan, the son of a Leafs fan and the father of a Leafs fan. As for the 9 guys who write on our site and most of the guys here on the boards ya, they know way more than I do about the game and its players. I am actually often surprised at the level of hockey knowledge that goes into a lot of your posts. I love the Leafs and we love being part of Leafs Nation.

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people may be mad about blacker being too high (I'm not a huge fan so i'd tend to agree) because he isn't that great, but unfortunately outside of Rielly, none of our prospects are that great. Just an unfortunate truth.

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Traditionally prospect rankings (in any sport) are done in order to provide a base or framework by which people can assess where a prospect sits on the "depth chart" and you'll seldom find justification for each player. A full-prospect report and rationale for my one player is ranked where he is takes away from the ranking itself which is exactly why, at the conclusion of the article, it reads "If you have any questions on specific players, or my rationale for a specific ranking, shoot me a tweet @scottcwheeler on Twitter or scott@wewantacup.com."
No sorry dude, every ranking provides at least a little blurb on the top x players, not literally nothing. It's like writing a table of contents and then asking people to tweet you if they want a single chapter of a book.

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With that said, Blacker has taken huge strides and is an extremely mobile young defender who will get huge minutes with Steve Spott this year with the Marlies. Blacker has NHL footwork, Percy and Finn don't (as of yet).
Well okay, that's something, but what's wrong with Percy's skating? And for that matter, how has Blacker taken 'huge strides'? His numbers got worse in his second pro season if anything.

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No sorry dude, every ranking provides at least a little blurb on the top x players, not literally nothing. It's like writing a table of contents and then asking people to tweet you if they want a single chapter of a book.



Well okay, that's something, but what's wrong with Percy's skating? And for that matter, how has Blacker taken 'huge strides'? His numbers got worse in his second pro season if anything.


His offense hasn't clicked yet. However he strides last year. He is a dark horse to make the team this year.

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look at the flack Blacker is getting here. let me tell you this. He was called up twice so that must mean that management must think that he is ready or close at least. Blacker has a chance to make this team.

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that's a pretty lazy article.

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Broll is a beast... he's better than 20 i assure you

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4 players invited to Canadian WJC camp, one isn't on the top 20 list. Hoping that's a sign of depth and not just a bad list

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His offense hasn't clicked yet. However he strides last year. He is a dark horse to make the team this year.
You're so misguided. He was called up because removing him from the Marlies wouldn't hurt their playoff run. Or do you really think he was higher on the depth chart than Komisarek, Holzer, Marshall, or even Reilly? Taking any of those four out of the Marlies line up while they were in the playoffs would have been the equivalent of Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, or Franson going down with injury against Boston. When Blacker was called up there was absolutely no intention of him suiting up in a playoff game against Boston. If you really thought there was then I'm sorry, you're love for Blacker is a little blind or you have a screw loose.

He only played 4 games in the playoffs last year and only 6 the year before that, when the team played 9 and 17 respectably. Care to guess why? And it wasn't just because of injury.

Fact is, if Blacker is a dark horse to make the team this year then he would have had to have dramatically improved his play. Usually when a player makes the NHL after playing multiple FULL seasons in the AHL, they're pretty much an AHL all star. Blacker has been a bottom pairing and healthy scratch in the AHL so what exactly makes you think he's going to find himself in the line up over Brennan, Reilly, Holzer, and Granberg?


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None taken. In all honesty, I'm just a regular fan I grew up playing the game and really love the Leafs.I am no expert I guess the only thing I'm really well versed at is how I feel as a life long fan, the son of a Leafs fan and the father of a Leafs fan. As for the 9 guys who write on our site and most of the guys here on the boards ya, they know way more than I do about the game and its players. I am actually often surprised at the level of hockey knowledge that goes into a lot of your posts. I love the Leafs and we love being part of Leafs Nation.
Kudos to you dude. You take a beating in nearly every thread you make and still manage to keep it going. Would not be surprised to see you explode one day on some Ned Flanders ****

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Thanks, we have lots of threads and articles that are well received and generate some pretty good discussion, along with those that people don't seem to like as much. Par for the course, if we are going to post on HF then we best be prepared for both. Like I said you guys know your stuff and its a pleasure to be a part of it.

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Granberg was outstanding with Edler on Sweden's top pairing at the World Championships and was a man among boys when I saw him at the Leafs orientation camp earlier in the summer at the MasterCard Centre.
If Granberg was outstanding (and I concur he was very good), then why would you have Blacker ranked above him? Outside of Rielly he may the one defensive prospect that could surprise at camp based on playing well recently.

For me Blacker has been a disappointment since turning pro and hasn't developed as fast as one hopes for a top ranked prospect.

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There's nothing wrong in having a rating of the top twenty prospects that differs from the consensus. If it were the same as the poll that is presently taking place on this very board, why would anyone even bother writing it out? Just post a link to one of those threads!

I also what to thank the folks at WWAC for taking the time and expending the energy to run a site to interest us Leafs obsessed fanatics. I appreciate their efforts and their patience with criticism. All that being said, I think I want to offer some friendly advice: the article would be hugely improved and would be far more interesting to it potential audience if a rationale for the selections were given. In fact, most such ratings, including the ones here at the main Hockey's Future site, do just that. It is what makes them worth reading. The OP is clearly capable of supplying such a rationale. He defense of rating Blacker so highly, though wrong-headed in my view, was clearly argued and interesting. That is the kind of thing that should have been in the article itself.

Now, the problem with rating Blacker so highly: it is said, correctly, that hockey is a game of inches. The most important inches are the six inches between the ears. Blacker is an excellent skater, both forwards and backwards, has decent size and an average or above average NHL shot, but I doubt his hockey IQ. I have never been impressed by his game savvy and have often noticed him making bonehead plays. That rates him lower by, well, six inches, than several of the other blueliners, IMO.

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