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Olympic medicine

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...L_players.html

An interesting look at how the NHL/NHLPA has doctors in Sochi and how they interact with the national team doctors (e.g., USA, Canada) to represent the interests of the NHL.

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Essentially, DeLuca's job is to monitor the players' health, which is another way of saying he's here to provide second opinions and to protect the 30 NHL owners' sizable investments.

"We're here to supersede if the national doctor thinks a player can play and we think he can't," said DeLuca, a -medicine specialist at the Rothman Institute.
They are using "clean phones" to text (in "code") to report injuries to any NHL players to their respective NHL teams.

Two Flyers physicians are starting the gig (until they have to return to support the NFL Eagles), and will be replaced by doctors from the Red Wings and Senators.

Also the possible legal challenges from players who may have head injuries.

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Before departing for Sochi, NHL players were made to sign "return-to-play" agreements. Those mandated that if concussed, players would abide by the judgment of the league's physicians.

If a diagnosed player still wants to continue, he would then have to waive the NHL of any responsibility.
But that legal waiver may not be worth the paper it's printed on when a player is not in his full right mind.

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http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments...erg...hes-done

Have to wonder how much input the NHL docs had on Zetterberg, who is now apparently unable to play in Olympics and on his way back to Detroit.

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Before departing for Sochi, NHL players were made to sign "return-to-play" agreements. Those mandated that if concussed, players would abide by the judgment of the league's physicians.

If a diagnosed player still wants to continue, he would then have to waive the NHL of any responsibility.
The NHL has an agreement with the IIHF to send its players KNOWING that injuries could happen as they would with any other ice hockey game.

NHL players are volunteering (without pay) to compete at this stage. Can the league force them not to play golf in the off season, in the event they get injured before training camp? Can a player get a concussion practicing at home?

At first glance, it seems like the NHL is being unreasonable here

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There are a number of off season physical activities players are restricted from doing. Golf obviously isn't, but something like dirtbike racing probably is.

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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...-olympic-game/

Apparently Zetterberg's injury (herniated disk) is something he's been dealing with since December (and previously missed some NHL games).

Have to wonder how much patriotic pride numbed the pain to play.

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There are a number of off season physical activities players are restricted from doing. Golf obviously isn't, but something like dirtbike racing probably is.
Isn't that bordering on unethical? A hockey player's personal life is no business of the team's unless it is illegal (ie, drugs). Even then, I would expect the organization to have the same policies any other private firm institutes.

The league controls the job market parameters, the wages within that market [up until a grown man is 27 years old], the specific employer [immediately after being drafted], and now the activities outside of the workplace?!? No wonder the union fights for what little personal freedoms their members are entitled to.

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I don't see it being unethical when they have guaranteed contracts. In the NFL guys can do whatever they want, but then teams can release them if they show up out of order. Maybe they can renegotiate it in the next CBA if they want, but I imagine they'd have to give up something more precious to them.

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Isn't that bordering on unethical? A hockey player's personal life is no business of the team's unless it is illegal (ie, drugs). Even then, I would expect the organization to have the same policies any other private firm institutes.

The league controls the job market parameters, the wages within that market [up until a grown man is 27 years old], the specific employer [immediately after being drafted], and now the activities outside of the workplace?!? No wonder the union fights for what little personal freedoms their members are entitled to.
I don't think it's a case of being prevented, rather a situation of what's standard practice (and likely laid out in a list) of acceptable off-ice activities.

Basically, iIf an NHL player gets hurt doing off ice workouts in the summer, he would still get paid because that was part of his legitimate training for the NHL season. If the guy gets hurt doing practices with other NHL players, again, all good. If the guy gets hurt on a dirtbike, he's not going to get paid.

Part of an NHL contract is the requirement for a player to make all reasonable efforts to stay healthy and in top shape. Activities that go against that will hurt a player's position should something go wrong.

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The list isn't THAT extreme by the way.

I know for example Carey Price is permitted to do rodeo activities. He is not permitted to do more dangerous ones like bull riding, but he is allowed to do calf roping. So I imagine guys can do stuff like skiing, but not on unmarked trails or aerials, or could go mountain biking on trails, but not stunt jumping off ramps, etc.

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I don't know if I'd like that an opposing team doctor is getting a look at my players. The NHL should have hired a impartial team of doctors and put them all under NDA.

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I don't know if I'd like that an opposing team doctor is getting a look at my players. The NHL should have hired a impartial team of doctors and put them all under NDA.
Well, those docs are there to represent the interests of the NHL board and all teams/owners, If there was a legitimate concern over divulging sensitive information, i'm sure they would have come up with another solution.

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I don't know if I'd like that an opposing team doctor is getting a look at my players. The NHL should have hired a impartial team of doctors and put them all under NDA.
I don't think there's no need to do that (NDA), laws protecting patients already exist, at least in USA, most likely in Canada also. Doctor would lose his/her license and maybe even go to jail if breaking them.

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I don't think it's a case of being prevented, rather a situation of what's standard practice (and likely laid out in a list) of acceptable off-ice activities.

Basically, iIf an NHL player gets hurt doing off ice workouts in the summer, he would still get paid because that was part of his legitimate training for the NHL season. If the guy gets hurt doing practices with other NHL players, again, all good. If the guy gets hurt on a dirtbike, he's not going to get paid.

Part of an NHL contract is the requirement for a player to make all reasonable efforts to stay healthy and in top shape. Activities that go against that will hurt a player's position should something go wrong.
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The list isn't THAT extreme by the way.

I know for example Carey Price is permitted to do rodeo activities. He is not permitted to do more dangerous ones like bull riding, but he is allowed to do calf roping. So I imagine guys can do stuff like skiing, but not on unmarked trails or aerials, or could go mountain biking on trails, but not stunt jumping off ramps, etc.
Selanne used to (car) race under the name Teddy Flash (whatever that translates to in Finnish) as that was one of the restricted activities for his contract (that he sometimes broke).

James Sheppard was injured in an ATV accident; was suspended by his team (and traded). (Yes, it is a relatively safe sport, but IIRC, he zigged to miss a truck and hit a tree.)

Some players may be prohibited from riding motorcycles.


And the more $$ you earn, the more you may be prohibited from doing.

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