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A week after saying the Pacific Northwest would receive “serious consideration” for a NHL expansion team, deputy commissioner Bill Daly pumped the brakes on a rumor about a team playing in Seattle next year.

“There’s never been a plan to expand to 32 teams,” he told ESPN.com Wednesday morning. “Whether we talked conceptually at some point if things are going well whether we could expand to 32, I’m sure we suggested we could.

“But we certainly never reached the point where that was appropriate.”
Reminds me of this (Jan 30, 2013) ...

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But at the council meeting, former executive director of the NHL Players' Association Paul Kelly said, while he held the position from 2007-2009, he was made aware of plans for the NHL to add two expansion teams and that they would likely be placed in Toronto and Quebec.

However, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly refuted those comments on Wednesday.

"There's never been a plan to expand to 32 teams," Daly told TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun of ESPN.com. "Whether we talked conceptually at some point if things are going well whether we could expand to 32, I'm sure we suggested we could, but we certainly never reached the point where that was appropriate when Paul Kelly was executive director of the NHLPA and I'd say we haven't got there at this point.

"I'd say any sports league aspires to be in a position where expansion is a good idea," added Daly. "But again, it's got to be the right circumstances."
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I go to Seattle all the time and I live on Vancouver Island. My family loves the trip down, we stop at Tulelip and do some cheap shopping then head to Seattle and either catch a Mariners game or walk around the city.

If Seattle got a hockey team that would only be more of an incentive to make those trips more often.
I love Nanaimo bars. Sorry just noticed your location.

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Um, why would people in Bc drive that far to attend expansion team games when Vancouver is right there?

Plus you can make it a shopping day/weekend. Items are much cheaper to acquire in the states, and with the amount of duty free being raised (as well as even more if you stay more than a day), even more incentive to come down.

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do you think he's got that speech written down somewhere?

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Can't you get those 'frequent' traveller border crossing passes?
I suppose one could.....if one was a frequent traveller

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Not bad! I thought it was more expensive than that

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do you think he's got that speech written down somewhere?
Thing is, I'm not finding anything on ESPN.com from Daly yesterday. Maybe it's just me... maybe a radio interview?

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Thing is, I'm not finding anything on ESPN.com from Daly yesterday. Maybe it's just me... maybe a radio interview?
Now that is interesting... methinks someone needs to tweet in LeBrun's ear and see what he says

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The same reason people travel from Southern Ontario to watch the Sabres.Tickets are less expensive and easier to obtain.
So you're saying that Canadians will drive 2.5+ hours to spend money on shopping? Have you seen gas prices? Maybe if they make a LARGE amount of purchases. And this would NEVER work effectively on weekday games. Which is important because weekend games usually do well on their own anyway. You guys are really trying to stretch this. The similarities with Buffalo and Seattle are almost nill.

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do you think he's got that speech written down somewhere?
Memorized. Talking points.

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Thing is, I'm not finding anything on ESPN.com from Daly yesterday. Maybe it's just me... maybe a radio interview?
Strange. Maybe twitterville? Should still come up on a search I would think.

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So you're saying that Canadians will drive 2.5+ hours to spend money on shopping? Have you seen gas prices? Maybe if they make a LARGE amount of purchases. And this would NEVER work effectively on weekday games. Which is important because weekend games usually do well on their own anyway. You guys are really trying to stretch this. The similarities with Buffalo and Seattle are almost nill.
I don't know, dude, it seems like all the people who actually live there are telling you otherwise In my experience in the Seattle area, Canada looms almost as large as it does in the Detroit area in spite of the increased distance.

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So you're saying that Canadians will drive 2.5+ hours to spend money on shopping? Have you seen gas prices? Maybe if they make a LARGE amount of purchases. And this would NEVER work effectively on weekday games. Which is important because weekend games usually do well on their own anyway. You guys are really trying to stretch this. The similarities with Buffalo and Seattle are almost nill.
Gas is even more of a reason for some people to make the trip. Filling up in the states can be 30% cheaper than filling up in the GVRD

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So you're saying that Canadians will drive 2.5+ hours to spend money on shopping? Have you seen gas prices? Maybe if they make a LARGE amount of purchases. And this would NEVER work effectively on weekday games. Which is important because weekend games usually do well on their own anyway. You guys are really trying to stretch this. The similarities with Buffalo and Seattle are almost nill.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1136817

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America is the land of the cheap, according to some above the U.S.'s northern border.

Many Canadians are jumping over the border to cash in on the stronger Canadian dollar by buying milk and other goods at bargain prices in the U.S., the Vancouver Sun reported.

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In June, the Canadian government raised duty-free exemption limits from $50 to $200 per person for U.S. stays of 24 hours and from $400 to $800 for stays of 48 hours. It did so in order to modernize purchase rules and to ease congestion at border crossings into Canada, government officials said, though business leaders opposed the idea.
Read more: http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/3...#ixzz2akS2sADV

So sure, Canadians might not make 20 weeknight games, but it actually benefits canadians to stay longer in the states.

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I think, there is too the factor of roadtrip and just have some fun.
On saturday nights, if the Canucks doesn't play at home, maybe there will be some people from Vancouver.

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So you're saying that Canadians will drive 2.5+ hours to spend money on shopping? Have you seen gas prices? Maybe if they make a LARGE amount of purchases. And this would NEVER work effectively on weekday games. Which is important because weekend games usually do well on their own anyway. You guys are really trying to stretch this. The similarities with Buffalo and Seattle are almost nill.
Living now in Seattle and having spent most of my young life in Northern PA not far from Buffalo I can tell you would be amazed at how many people/license plates you see from Vancouver/Canada area in Seattle on any given day. Not to mention the number of plates from Washington state up in Vancouver whenever I travel up their. There is no question there is a similarity whether you want to accept it or not.

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Two day trip in the states, increase duty free to 800. Shop at the outlets in Tulialup, fill up in gas in Bellingham, Stay a night in Seattle, catch a hockey game one night and a NBA game the next and then drive home.

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Canadians like to visit the San Juan islands, Olympic Peninsula and of course, Seattle.
Oh ya absolutely. Shopping, just heading down for a Seahawks game, Seafair, whatever. A lot of Canadians with places in Point Roberts, Birch Bay etc. In BC, American from Washington & Oregon heading north to Whistler-Blackcomb, Vancouver Island & the Sunshine Coast, Kelowna etc. Heavy duty boat traffic going both ways as well.

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Um, why would people in Bc drive that far to attend expansion team games when Vancouver is right there?
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The same reason people travel from Southern Ontario to watch the Sabres.Tickets are less expensive and easier to obtain.
And it's doing something different. Hey we can spend $100 a ticket on some Canucks tickets... or there's a great match up in Seattle, and it'll only cost $65 a ticket, plus we can do something different, and make a weekend out of it.

I'd do that. Not all the time, but depending on who was playing who, several times a year. At least I would if I lived anywhere near the BC/WA boarder.

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I heard the tooth fairy and santa claus are trying to work out a deal with mayor James.

I dont see the sprint center hosting any hockey anytime soon, they are doing "okay" without an anchor tennant. but who knows, the NHL might try to grow another market from scratch because it has worked so well in the past.

Things seem to be working out alright in Nashville and Anaheim. And it's not exactly growing a market from scratch. Theres some junior teams in the PNW that have a huge following, and are a huge success.

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So you're saying that Canadians will drive 2.5+ hours to spend money on shopping? Have you seen gas prices? Maybe if they make a LARGE amount of purchases. And this would NEVER work effectively on weekday games. Which is important because weekend games usually do well on their own anyway. You guys are really trying to stretch this. The similarities with Buffalo and Seattle are almost nill.
Dude, I went down to buy wheels (3 for my trailer) and tea. Yes that's right, I drove down to Seattle from Vancouver specifically to get some tea (the wheels were just over the boarder). Decided to make it a multi day thing. Did some minor shopping (odd's and ends), and some camping and checked **** out. But basically I went for tea. If there was hockey there, I'd do the same thing.

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Thing is, I'm not finding anything on ESPN.com from Daly yesterday. Maybe it's just me... maybe a radio interview?
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Now that is interesting... methinks someone needs to tweet in LeBrun's ear and see what he says

Pretty weird considering The Seattle Times wrote that story, so you'd think they'd be somewhat creditable. If Daly would have spoken on ESPN radio, you would have thought the newspaper would have stated "ESPN Radio", and not "ESPN.com".

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So you're saying that Canadians will drive 2.5+ hours to spend money on shopping? Have you seen gas prices? Maybe if they make a LARGE amount of purchases. And this would NEVER work effectively on weekday games. Which is important because weekend games usually do well on their own anyway. You guys are really trying to stretch this. The similarities with Buffalo and Seattle are almost nill.
Me and a lot of other people I know do it on the regular. Are Canadians going to drive down to watch Seattle vs Florida on a Wednesday night? Probably not, but they will go down to watch Seattle vs Pittsburgh/Washington/Toronto/Montreal etc..., and if tickets are cheap enough on the weekend it won't matter who is playing. Now the volume of people is not going to be anywhere as great as Buffalo, but there will a noticeable Canadian contingent that go to games in Seattle.

Also, have you aware of the gas prices in BC? People drive down to WA to fill up specifically on gas, the cost of driving from the burbs to Rogers Arena and paying for parking isn't all that much more expensive than driving down to Seattle. In most cases the savings from lower comparable tickets will offset and exceed any additional cost from travel.

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The two areas are also not too dissimilar in cultural and political outlook as well. (Washington just passed a law legalizing marijuana.)
Lets form Cascadia. Have much more in common with Vancouverites than we do with people from New York.

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