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12-04-2013, 03:52 PM
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Wait, someone fill in the numbers below for me please:

The chances the Phoenix Coyotes get relocated to Seattle are _%
The chances Seattle gets an expansion team are _%
Can't really give a % due to the fact that Seattle's MOU requires a NBA team to built the arena and who knows rather it'll get modified to allow NHL first or if NBA gives Seattle an expansion team before or around the same time that the NHL announces expansion.

If the MOU can be changed and is changed to allow the NHL group to build the arena its a 100% chance of expansion

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Definitely (I'm from Edmonton), it would definitely be another draw for the tons of Seahawks fans in Edmonton & Calgary who fly down for a weekend to be able to catch a potential game with their hockey teams as well.
Definitely see double dips in the future (Friday Seattle vs Edmonton, Sunday Seattle vs San Francisco )

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Seattle To:
Vancouver - 141 mi
Calgary - 727 mi
Edmonton - 792mi
San Jose - 839 mi
Los Angeles - 1,135mi
Denver - 1,308mi
Phoenix - 1,406mi
Winnipeg - 1,478mi
Minnesota - 1,620mi (Boston to MN is only 1,382mi)
Just checked Winnepeg against Calgary and Edmonton, outside of Vancouver, Seattle is the largest metro area and potential hockey market closest to both Alberta cities.

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The #1 question that i still have what the NHL thoughts in regards to the MOU requiring NBA team first to built it. If Seattle is #1 on the list for expansion NHL has to know something we don't or they are perfectly fine with Key arena while Hansen continues to push for that NBA team to build the arena.

one theory is nothing needs to happen to the MOU and both NBA and NHL expands at the same time right as after the final approval of the Sodo arena.
another theory is NBA just give Hansen in writing a guarantee of a NBA team (expansion or relocation) at some point in the future.

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The chances Seattle gets an expansion team are _%

Yotes: 5%
Expansion: 95%

Mainly because the yotes won't be coming before 5 years is up (Expansion will be sooner) and in 5 years the MOU might no longer be valid.

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12-04-2013, 04:11 PM
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Yotes: 5%
Expansion: 95%

Mainly because the yotes won't be coming before 5 years is up (Expansion will be sooner) and in 5 years the MOU might no longer be valid.

While part of me agree on the expansion % the rest of me can't give a % due to the unknown of what NHL thinks of the current status of prospects of the sodo arena being a guarantee that will happen.

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Define MOU for me on basic terms please

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Could someone tell me if Seattle gets an nhl in next 2 yrs will this lead to death of major junior hockey in Seattle.I hope not but I guess it could.Seattle have had a team since 1970s I know only a very small pop of Seattle follow team but it would be great loss to WHL

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Memorandum of understanding

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Could someone tell me if Seattle gets an nhl in next 2 yrs will this lead to death of major junior hockey in Seattle.I hope not but I guess it could.Seattle have had a team since 1970s I know only a very small pop of Seattle follow team but it would be great loss to WHL
No it won't be the death of WHL. It'll actually help the WHL here. NHL will draw more people to watch hockey and WHL tickets are more affordable than NHL.

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Memorandum of understanding
Yes, I know that. But what does this mean in this context exactly?

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Could someone tell me if Seattle gets an nhl in next 2 yrs will this lead to death of major junior hockey in Seattle.I hope not but I guess it could.Seattle have had a team since 1970s I know only a very small pop of Seattle follow team but it would be great loss to WHL
No, the Thunderbirds along with the Tri-City Americans, Portland Winter Hawks, Spokane Chiefs & Everett Silver Tips all very popular. Great regional rivalries down there amongst themselves, those 5 teams along with Vancouver, Victoria etc. Popularity easily on par with the better franchises in the QMJHL & OHL, in fact far superior to many. Their buildings absolutely rocking on game nights.

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Soyez le bienvenu. Not surprisingly many from the east are unaware of the fact that there are 5 teams in the WHL in Oregon & Washington that are all extremely popular & fairly successful both on & off the ice. Youve also got a long & rich history of minor pro that the older generations certainly recall with great fondness in the old Western Hockey League (and previously the PCHL & PCHA), many of its players retiring to places like Seattle, Spokane & Portland etc. Those guys getting involved in amateur Coaching & Administration & so on.

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Could someone tell me if Seattle gets an nhl in next 2 yrs will this lead to death of major junior hockey in Seattle.I hope not but I guess it could.Seattle have had a team since 1970s I know only a very small pop of Seattle follow team but it would be great loss to WHL
I would also add to what the other folks have said already by noting that since the Thunderbirds and Silvertips both play in suburban arenas, and will have different ticket price points than the NHL will, it should not really affect things all that much. Portland, though, if it gets an NHL team, would likely see the Winterhawks move, perhaps to Salem or Eugene.

The U.S. Division is a well-supported division, and the fans travel well for road contests within the division. Some of those games end up on TV by the way as part of the ROOT Sports TV package, which BTW this year's schedule has yet TBA....

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I would also add to what the other folks have said already by noting that since the Thunderbirds and Silvertips both play in suburban arenas, and will have different ticket price points than the NHL will, it should not really affect things all that much. Portland, though, if it gets an NHL team, would likely see the Winterhawks move, perhaps to Salem or Eugene.

The U.S. Division is a well-supported division, and the fans travel well for road contests within the division. Some of those games end up on TV by the way as part of the ROOT Sports TV package, which BTW this year's schedule has yet TBA....
I think the WHL root tv ends to be mostly 2nd half of the season.

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Would be nice if one of ths American teams wins the memorial cup

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Would be nice if one of ths American teams wins the memorial cup
It certainly would be, yes, but whats interesting is that they havent as of yet however they all pretty much pack their buildings and do bang up jobs with sponsorships etc on the business end of things which obviously is crucial. Those teams absolutely embraced by the communities in which they play & regardless of whether or not they win or lose so long as the efforts there, so's the support.

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No, the Thunderbirds along with the Tri-City Americans, Portland Winter Hawks, Spokane Chiefs & Everett Silver Tips all very popular. Great regional rivalries down there amongst themselves, those 5 teams along with Vancouver, Victoria etc. Popularity easily on par with the better franchises in the QMJHL & OHL, in fact far superior to many. Their buildings absolutely rocking on game nights.
Will be at the T-Birds game against Tri-Cities on the 17th in fact

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Seattle and Portland would be nice.
I'd still like to see a team in Quebec though.....

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It certainly would be, yes, but whats interesting is that they havent as of yet however they all pretty much pack their buildings and do bang up jobs with sponsorships etc on the business end of things which obviously is crucial. Those teams absolutely embraced by the communities in which they play & regardless of whether or not they win or lose so long as the efforts there, so's the support.

Actually two american WHL teams has won it. Spokane won it twice and portland won it twice

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Will be at the T-Birds game against Tri-Cities on the 17th in fact
One of the greatest WHL matches i watched was between those two teams where it was a brawl fest with a goalie fight included Seattle won 10-2.

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One of the greatest WHL matches i watched was between those two teams where it was a brawl fest with a goalie fight included Seattle won 10-2.
I love T-Birds games Thing is, even if I had season tickets to a Seattle NHL team I'd STILL go see T-Birds games

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I'd still like to see a team in Quebec though.....
Ya. I think Expansions coming for sure with Seattle & QC pretty much locks, however thereafter it does start getting really interesting. I cant imagine Paul Allen after watching the Seattle franchise landing & lighting up the sky that he'll be able to resist any longer. He wont be able to ignore or schluff that one off. Absolute natural no-brainer. Though smaller, Portland an extremely wealthy market, exactly who the NHL caters to. Very interesting that he'd been window shopping with the Coyotes. Id hazard to guess he couldve cared less about the $170M asking price but wasnt going to cough. Setting a precedent that he was in anyway malleable. Someone to be messed with. Price too high Gary. Eat me. Your move.... thats what I figure St.P.... Just sayin like.... not that Id know anything really... inside inf or whatever...

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Ya. I think Expansions coming for sure with Seattle & QC pretty much locks, however thereafter it does start getting really interesting. I cant imagine Paul Allen after watching the Seattle franchise landing & lighting up the sky that he'll be able to resist any longer. He wont be able to ignore or schluff that one off. Absolute natural no-brainer. Though smaller, Portland an extremely wealthy market, exactly who the NHL caters to. Very interesting that he'd been window shopping with the Coyotes. Id hazard to guess he couldve cared less about the $170M asking price but wasnt going to cough. Setting a precedent that he was in anyway malleable. Someone to be messed with. Price too high Gary. Eat me. Your move.... thats what I figure St.P.... Just sayin like.... not that Id know anything really... inside inf or whatever...
Could very well be. If the Coyotes are still a sinkhole five years from now I could see Allen following through on the window shopping. Not sure NBC would be too happy about swapping the Phoenix market for Portland but who knows?

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