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12-17-2013, 12:36 PM
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It makes so much sense for a second Toronto team to be placed in the west.

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I doubt gta2 will happen
i've been thinking the same thing, though a lot of the "articles" out there throw toronto and the gta in as a frontrunner for expansion. seems like a fall-back plan more than something the league actually wants to do. quebec city is probably the same thing but you have to think the NHL would go there before sticking another team in toronto.

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12-17-2013, 07:17 PM
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Bob Mckenzie saying on "That's Hockey" that the top two front runners for expansion are Seattle and Las Vegas. That would make sense given the conference alignment.

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12-17-2013, 07:24 PM
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Bob Mckenzie saying on "That's Hockey" that the top two front runners for expansion are Seattle and Las Vegas. That would make sense given the conference alignment.
Michael Russo of the Star-Tribune said the same thing during the Wild game a few days ago.

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12-17-2013, 07:30 PM
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Michael Russo of the Star-Tribune said the same thing during the Wild game a few days ago.
It seems like 2 good choices imo. I know many Canadians are hoping for Quebec City, but just i don't think it's happening. More and more credible sources coming out saying Seattle and Vegas. Bettman left a spot open for 2 teams in the west for a reason, he isn't stupid and I'm sure is constantly looking 2 steps ahead. Seattle will be great and it will be very interesting to see how a pro team does in Vegas.

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12-17-2013, 07:55 PM
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It seems like 2 good choices imo. I know many Canadians are hoping for Quebec City, but just i don't think it's happening. More and more credible sources coming out saying Seattle and Vegas. Bettman left a spot open for 2 teams in the west for a reason, he isn't stupid and I'm sure is constantly looking 2 steps ahead. Seattle will be great and it will be very interesting to see how a pro team does in Vegas.
Vegas? who saying thats credible that seattle's expansion partner is vegas?

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12-17-2013, 07:58 PM
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Vegas? who saying thats credible that seattle's expansion partner is vegas?
I consider Bob Mckenzie to be credible. To each their own.

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12-17-2013, 07:59 PM
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I consider Bob Mckenzie to be credible. To each their own.
Interesting to go from Seattle and QC to Seattle and ??? to Seattle and Vegas.

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12-17-2013, 08:16 PM
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McKenzie is very credible.

I'm disappointed to hear the NHL still wants Vegas, especially if places like Portland, QC, or Hamilton are any kind of option, but I know the NHL has been eying it for years now. Devellano (Detroit) first said in a 2007 interview that Vegas was definitely happening in a few years. Sigh.
well if Vegas goes before portland that sounds like to me no one serious wants to pay expansion fee like prices for a team in Portland. Portland now remains option for coyotes if the league wants that franchise to remain in western conference.

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12-17-2013, 08:20 PM
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McKenzie is very credible.

I'm disappointed to hear the NHL still wants Vegas, especially if places like Portland, QC, or Hamilton are any kind of option, but I know the NHL has been eying it for years now. Devellano (Detroit) first said in a 2007 interview that Vegas was definitely happening in a few years. Sigh.
It's a huge risk.. But we know the NHL has been anything but risk averse in expansion.

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12-17-2013, 08:21 PM
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It's a huge risk.. But we know the NHL has been anything but risk averse in expansion.
Huge risk huge reward imo. If vegas gets it economy back to what it was prior to the whole economy tanking it could be a huge boost to the NHL.

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12-17-2013, 08:22 PM
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McKenzie is very credible.

I'm disappointed to hear the NHL still wants Vegas, especially if places like Portland, QC, or Hamilton are any kind of option, but I know the NHL has been eying it for years now. Devellano (Detroit) first said in a 2007 interview that Vegas was definitely happening in a few years. Sigh.
I'd be curious to see who the owner/ownership group is. Also, what kind of deal they have with the new arena (assuming it's the MGM/AEG project).

Thirdly, apparently that arena is schedule to open in 2016 which either means expansion doesn't happen until 2016/17.

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12-17-2013, 08:24 PM
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I'd be curious to see who the owner/ownership group is. Also, what kind of deal they have with the new arena (assuming it's the MGM/AEG project).

Thirdly, apparently that arena is schedule to open in 2016 which either means expansion doesn't happen until 2016/17.
Both teams don't have to begin playing at the same time. Seattle could be 15/16 then Vegas 16/17. Why punish seattle fans and make them have to wait another year unless NHL perfers seattle to begin playing in their new arena.

Does Vegas have any arena that could host the team temporary?

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12-17-2013, 08:26 PM
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Huge risk huge reward imo. If vegas gets it economy back to what it was prior to the whole economy tanking it could be a huge boost to the NHL.
The real question is how a market like that would actually work. Large transient population at any given time. The NHL isn't so fragile it couldn't survive the experiment if that's what they wanted, despite rhetoric suggesting otherwise.

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Huge risk huge reward imo. If vegas gets it economy back to what it was prior to the whole economy tanking it could be a huge boost to the NHL.
How do you figure? They're a huge risk even with a pre-recession economy and I don't see the huge return on investment you speak of.

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12-17-2013, 08:27 PM
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NBA is a better fit for LV. The only boost this would give the NHL would be the pr they receive from being the first of the big4 to venture there.

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12-17-2013, 08:28 PM
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The real question is how a market like that would actually work. Large transient population at any given time. The NHL isn't so fragile it couldn't survive the experiment if that's what they wanted, despite rhetoric suggesting otherwise.
Good question but hypothetically if the league were to go to 36 teams in which coyotes end up moving which other cities get teams

Seattle, portland, GTA2, Quebec, Milwaukee? Houston? KC? Vegas?

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Good question but hypothetically if the league were to go to 36 teams in which coyotes end up moving which other cities get teams

Seattle, portland, GTA2, Quebec, Milwaukee? Houston? KC? Vegas?
Tulsa, Ok., Kansas City, Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, Albuquerque, NM & a 3rd team in Florida either Orlando or Tallahassee.

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Both teams don't have to begin playing at the same time. Seattle could be 15/16 then Vegas 16/17. Why punish seattle fans and make them have to wait another year unless NHL perfers seattle to begin playing in their new arena.

Does Vegas have any arena that could host the team temporary?
Good question, the only one that comes to mind is Orleans but it seats less than 8000.

I don't think Thomas and Mack has an ice plant but I could be wrong.

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If true, Vegas has some parallels to Seattle for the NHL--beat the NBA into those markets that are at the top end of NBA expansion/relocation candidates.

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Alright guys, we're dovetailing out into OT territory for a Seattle thread. Plenty of other discussions on potential expansion destinations.

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If true, Vegas has some parallels to Seattle for the NHL--beat the NBA into those markets that are at the top end of NBA expansion/relocation candidates.
IF NBA does expansion it make sense seattle and vegas.

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I will give Seattle stick from time to time, but as an NHL expansion market, it's not a bad idea.

Vegas? Not again. Really?

It's NOT location... the desert doesn't matter to me.

The nature of industry in Vegas has too many of the ticket buyers working during games. It's a good economy for the owners but a bad one to live there IMO.

I'd rather put a team in Markham than Vegas. I'd rather go back to Hartford (and they're really low on my list of choices). I'd rather put an NHL team in Flin Flon.

BTW... I've made "no expansion" to Portland practically mantra by now. I almost feel bad that everyone's starting to agree. Damned passive-aggressive peer group.

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http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...47&src=desktop

Article is behind a paywall so I will summarize main seattle points:

Looked at 3 keys. Market, arena, owner

Market: 12th biggest market, lots of corporate support

Arena: not sure if MOU has to revised for NHL

Owners: 3 owners , bettman will play them off each other for best deal.

Canucks GM: very supportive about seattle team

lightning payer : talks about support of the fans

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http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...47&src=desktop

Article is behind a paywall so I will summarize main seattle points:

Looked at 3 keys. Market, arena, owner

Market: 12th biggest market, lots of corporate support

Arena: not sure if MOU has to revised for NHL

Owners: 3 owners , bettman will play them off each other for best deal.

Canucks GM: very supportive about seattle team

lightning payer : talks about support of the fans
Thanks.

I am still iffy on the arena thing (not needed to be amended) given NHL has to know if the thing will actually get built before granting a team unless they are fine with Key arena for who knows how many years.

I do not trust the NBA will actually give us a team within the time frame.

Although Bettman playing them off on each other is new to me. I would kinda assume it'll be who ever Hansen decides it would be rather than Bettman.

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