HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Business of Hockey
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The Business of Hockey Discuss the financial and business aspects of the NHL. Topics may include the CBA, work stoppages, broadcast contracts, franchise sales, NHL revenues, relocation and expansion.

Seattle IV: The Money Will Roll Right In

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-20-2013, 12:41 AM
  #801
superdeluxe
Seattle Sin Bin
 
superdeluxe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Tukwila, Bellevue
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 3,191
vCash: 500
Also interesting that bettman might try and leverage Vegas against Seattle for a better deal

superdeluxe is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 12:42 AM
  #802
gstommylee
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,721
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by superdeluxe View Post
Also interesting that bettman might try and leverage Vegas against Seattle for a better deal
That can seriously backfire to the point of NHL loses the chance to get a team in seattle for a very very long time if ever especially if NBA doesn't give Seattle a team.

gstommylee is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 01:36 AM
  #803
Killion
Registered User
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Village
Country: Wales
Posts: 30,357
vCash: 500
Where in HELL are you people getting this from? What? Another bogus report from Las Vegas?.... Who lives there but transient service workers & this is a superior market? Nonsense has to stop. This is not serious. Logistically a nightmare.

Killion is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 01:39 AM
  #804
gstommylee
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,721
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
Where in HELL are you people getting this from? What? Another bogus report from Las Vegas?.... Who lives there but transient service workers & this is a superior market? Nonsense has to stop. This is not serious. Logistically a nightmare.
Espn did an article buts its on insider only access. superdeluxe was just doing a summery

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/crai...ce/post?id=747

gstommylee is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 01:47 AM
  #805
Killion
Registered User
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Village
Country: Wales
Posts: 30,357
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by gstommylee View Post
Espn did an article buts its on insider only access. superdeluxe was just doing a summery...
Ya, read it tommy. More nonsense from Las Vegas. Sorry. All due respect to Nevada but it aint happening. Not required.

Killion is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 01:54 AM
  #806
gstommylee
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,721
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
Ya, read it tommy. More nonsense from Las Vegas. Sorry. All due respect to Nevada but it aint happening. Not required.
Perhaps vegas is only being bright up and used as leverage to get a even sweater deal from the seattle groups like where NBA used seattle to get sacramento to get a new arena going.

gstommylee is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 03:06 AM
  #807
Killion
Registered User
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Village
Country: Wales
Posts: 30,357
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by gstommylee View Post
Perhaps vegas is only being bright up and used as leverage to get a even sweater deal from the seattle groups like where NBA used seattle to get sacramento to get a new arena going.
Ya? Know what? If Gary Bettman has the Kajones to tell a Seattle, Portland or wherever else "lookee here, Vegas is rolling out the red carpet with a building & subsidies" and then played one city off the other I for one would demand his immediate resignation at minimum. Ive seen this movie before. Be it Kansas City or Salt Lake City, Vegas or wherever absurd to even contemplate. Not. Happening.

Killion is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 08:44 AM
  #808
Mightygoose
Registered User
 
Mightygoose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Ajax, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,095
vCash: 500
I agree, it doesn't make sense to use Vegas as leverage to get a better deal in Seattle. Especially if the plan is to bring in both, in terms of order of preference anyways per McKenzie earlier this week.

Mightygoose is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 09:52 AM
  #809
superdeluxe
Seattle Sin Bin
 
superdeluxe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Tukwila, Bellevue
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 3,191
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
Ya, read it tommy. More nonsense from Las Vegas. Sorry. All due respect to Nevada but it aint happening. Not required.
The article actually had more points where it would not work/be tough to work in Vegas, then where it would succeed.

superdeluxe is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 09:54 AM
  #810
superdeluxe
Seattle Sin Bin
 
superdeluxe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Tukwila, Bellevue
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 3,191
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mightygoose View Post
I agree, it doesn't make sense to use Vegas as leverage to get a better deal in Seattle. Especially if the plan is to bring in both, in terms of order of preference anyways per McKenzie earlier this week.
Well thats the thing, I honestly don't feel Vegas is a real thing, too many danger points. The only thing that makes sense is leverage up expansion dollars.

superdeluxe is offline  
Old
12-20-2013, 10:16 AM
  #811
hisgirlfriday
Global Moderator
 
hisgirlfriday's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 16,885
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by gstommylee View Post
Perhaps vegas is only being bright up and used as leverage to get a even sweater deal from the seattle groups like where NBA used seattle to get sacramento to get a new arena going.
The Vegas rumors started with a Globe and Mail piece by their NHL insider and was picked up on and expanded by McKenzie that very same day. Then Puck Daddy/CBS/ESPN followed with analysis of the idea. The NHL is floating Vegas for some purpose.

But not in the Globe and Mail piece nor the McKenzie comments did I see Vegas and Seattle pitted against each other. It was the idea that Seattle is a given and then 1 or 2 more expansion teams could include Las Vegas. And the original Globe and Mail piece was mostly comparing Las Vegas as an expansion franchise vs. a second Toronto team that could play in the West with the expectation QC gets a relocated team. So if Vegas is being used to bid up the real expansion target, upping Toronto fees makes more sense. Although, I don't buy that the NHL is using Vegas as a stalking horse.

hisgirlfriday is online now  
Old
12-20-2013, 11:35 AM
  #812
superdeluxe
Seattle Sin Bin
 
superdeluxe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Tukwila, Bellevue
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 3,191
vCash: 500
If you read the article, the former NHLPA guy made it sound that Vegas has been perculating for awhile, and that it is not a recent rumor.

superdeluxe is offline  
Old
12-21-2013, 12:40 AM
  #813
Dolemite
The one...the only..
 
Dolemite's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Washington DC
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 39,470
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by superdeluxe View Post
If you read the article, the former NHLPA guy made it sound that Vegas has been perculating for awhile, and that it is not a recent rumor.

Vegas has been talked about for years as has a new state of the art arena in various locations in and around the strip.

__________________
http://halfboards.com/
Follow along on Twitter: http://twitter.com/azvibesports

Last edited by Dolemite: 12-21-2013 at 12:52 AM.
Dolemite is offline  
Old
12-21-2013, 12:51 AM
  #814
Dolemite
The one...the only..
 
Dolemite's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Washington DC
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 39,470
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by gstommylee View Post
Thanks.

I am still iffy on the arena thing (not needed to be amended) given NHL has to know if the thing will actually get built before granting a team unless they are fine with Key arena for who knows how many years.

I do not trust the NBA will actually give us a team within the time frame.

Although Bettman playing them off on each other is new to me. I would kinda assume it'll be who ever Hansen decides it would be rather than Bettman.
No one should trust the NBA.


Quote:
Originally Posted by gstommylee View Post
If Levin is still think belleuve arena then no way he's getting the NHL franchise for seattle. Of the three groups the group that will get the team is the one that agrees to be partners with hansen and agrees on the funding cost of the sodo arena with hansen/seattle/King county to be able to build the arena for hockey.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gstommylee View Post
Correct. Current there is no approved plan for an arena in Bellevue. Its has to involve Sodo arena cause that's the most likely one that will get approved and modified to allow NHL first.
If anywhere on the Eastside is being proposed for a new NHL team....especially Bellevue then the NHL should RUN not walk away from this deal. Without significant freeway improvements across the region, it's a cluster**** of proposal.

Which brings us to the other main problem with a Washington State team. The City, County, and State governments. None of them have been, over the years, able grow a pair of brass ones and stake their political reputations for the bigger picture as all they want to do is get re-elected. This is why, for example, the freeway system in the greater Seattle area, reached its maximum capacity during the Clinton administration.

Dolemite is offline  
Old
12-21-2013, 01:04 AM
  #815
gstommylee
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,721
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
No one should trust the NBA.






If anywhere on the Eastside is being proposed for a new NHL team....especially Bellevue then the NHL should RUN not walk away from this deal. Without significant freeway improvements across the region, it's a cluster**** of proposal.

Which brings us to the other main problem with a Washington State team. The City, County, and State governments. None of them have been, over the years, able grow a pair of brass ones and stake their political reputations for the bigger picture as all they want to do is get re-elected. This is why, for example, the freeway system in the greater Seattle area, reached its maximum capacity during the Clinton administration.
Bellevue arena is not gonna happen. Levin was pushing for an arena to be in Bellevue but nothing really happened and it'll have to be all on private dollars.

Note there are 3 groups wanting that NHL team and Levin is one of those groups. My point was if Levin is still trying to aim an arena in Belleuve he is not gonna get the team it'll be one the two remains groups that would.

gstommylee is offline  
Old
12-21-2013, 01:16 AM
  #816
Eb
Give Mitch the C
 
Eb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,528
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
Ya? Know what? If Gary Bettman has the Kajones to tell a Seattle, Portland or wherever else "lookee here, Vegas is rolling out the red carpet with a building & subsidies" and then played one city off the other I for one would demand his immediate resignation at minimum. Ive seen this movie before. Be it Kansas City or Salt Lake City, Vegas or wherever absurd to even contemplate. Not. Happening.
Was there talks of Utah getting a team at one point?

Eb is offline  
Old
12-21-2013, 01:21 AM
  #817
PCSPounder
Stadium Groupie
 
PCSPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Portland. So there.
Country: United States
Posts: 1,585
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by gstommylee View Post
Bellevue arena is not gonna happen. Levin was pushing for an arena to be in Bellevue but nothing really happened and it'll have to be all on private dollars.

Note there are 3 groups wanting that NHL team and Levin is one of those groups. My point was if Levin is still trying to aim an arena in Belleuve he is not gonna get the team it'll be one the two remains groups that would.
I can hold up EVERY expansion from 1990 on as an example of the NHL's MO. They would prefer a team- that's not in a large market- controls their arena. Now that the Thrashers are the Jets, none of those "expansion" teams share a building with the NBA anymore.

Now, is Bellevue ideal? [spit take] However, I'm not so sure Bellevue isn't more centered to the potential fan base. I'll put it another way: the team in Seattle nearest their fan base is the Flounders.

Still, Levin's odds of getting something done right now aren't that good. Not that he's trying.

PCSPounder is offline  
Old
12-21-2013, 01:24 AM
  #818
Killion
Registered User
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Village
Country: Wales
Posts: 30,357
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eb View Post
Was there talks of Utah getting a team at one point?
Leading up to & after the Winter Olympics there yes. But it was just that. All talk. Never went anywhere.... Vegas has been on radar for several years, first with Jerry Bruckheimer supposedly interested along with one or two of the major casinos, certainly the Mayor's of the city.

Killion is offline  
Old
12-21-2013, 01:31 AM
  #819
PCSPounder
Stadium Groupie
 
PCSPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Portland. So there.
Country: United States
Posts: 1,585
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eb View Post
Was there talks of Utah getting a team at one point?
Anyone can talk. The arena situation makes NHL not that realistic there. You'd either have to gut Energy Solutions Arena (don't you just get the warmest fuzzies with that name?) and retrofit it for hockey, or do a substantial renovation/expansion of what was the E Center (where Olympic hockey was played and the Grizzlies are located) / what's now the Maverik Center (yes, that's the spelling, regional gas/c-store chain)... at least it holds 10,000 right now.

Thing is, the Jazz are at a low point and vulnerable to hostile takeover, and Salt Lake DOES have a winter sports focus (the 2002 Olympics only reinforced that). I really think it's an opportune market for the NHL to chase out the NBA. It takes some daring and some will to do it, so I'm not betting on the NHL making that happen, but if there's a mid-market to be had that can do the job, I think that's the place.

PCSPounder is offline  
Old
12-21-2013, 02:16 AM
  #820
gstommylee
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,721
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCSPounder View Post
I can hold up EVERY expansion from 1990 on as an example of the NHL's MO. They would prefer a team- that's not in a large market- controls their arena. Now that the Thrashers are the Jets, none of those "expansion" teams share a building with the NBA anymore.

Now, is Bellevue ideal? [spit take] However, I'm not so sure Bellevue isn't more centered to the potential fan base. I'll put it another way: the team in Seattle nearest their fan base is the Flounders.

Still, Levin's odds of getting something done right now aren't that good. Not that he's trying.
Bellevue arena is not going to happen. Levin conceded to Hansen after the initial approval of the so do arena.

Hansen and NHL group will be partners in the sodo arena. It's a non issue.

Levin may not be the one that gets the team.

Assuming everything goes according to plan, sodo arena will get the final approve with a possible mou change (if NBA doesn't give Seattle a team in the meantime) to allow the NHL team to build the arena. The league will give us a expansion team.

gstommylee is offline  
Old
01-01-2014, 11:40 PM
  #821
OilersFan1978
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 209
vCash: 500
Anything new to report here?

OilersFan1978 is offline  
Old
01-02-2014, 02:07 PM
  #822
superdeluxe
Seattle Sin Bin
 
superdeluxe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Tukwila, Bellevue
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 3,191
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OilersFan1978 View Post
Anything new to report here?
Its the holidays, not much goes on, but the WinterClassic numbers just got released:

Quote:
Chris Daniels ‏@ChrisDaniels5 1h

More: Seattle's TV #'s for #NHL #WinterClassic (2.3r/5.5sh) topped TWO different CFB Bowl Games (Gator & Outback).


Chris Daniels ‏@ChrisDaniels5 1h

#NHL #WinterClassic MT @stevelepore: Seattle: 2.3 rating for 10-1 pm PT portion of game. Sacramento only Pac time zone market w/higher #'s.
These Numbers do not account CBC numbers.

superdeluxe is offline  
Old
01-02-2014, 02:40 PM
  #823
gstommylee
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,721
vCash: 500
King 5 news at 7 yesterday had a thought of Seattle vs Vancouver winter classic at the clink at some point after settle gets a team.

The winter classic rating would be much higher if it wasn't for cbc splitting the market.

gstommylee is offline  
Old
01-02-2014, 02:48 PM
  #824
No Fun Shogun
Global Moderator
34-38-61-10-13-15
 
No Fun Shogun's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Shogunate of Nofunia
Country: Fiji
Posts: 41,148
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by gstommylee View Post
King 5 news at 7 yesterday had a thought of seattle vs Vancouver winter classic at the clink at some point after seattle gets a team.
Heh, probably way ahead of yourself on this one. Over/under a decade before any new team gets an outdoor game, and that's probably being generous. Minnesota still hasn't gotten one, for crying out loud.

__________________

2010 - 2013 - 2015 Chicago Blackhawks | 2016 Chicago Cubs - EAMUS CATULI! AC0000000
No Fun Shogun is offline  
Old
01-02-2014, 02:52 PM
  #825
gstommylee
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,721
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by No Fun Shogun View Post
Heh, probably way ahead of yourself on this one. Over/under a decade before any new team gets an outdoor game, and that's probably being generous. Minnesota still hasn't gotten one, for crying out loud.
It was just brought up as a thought of a possibility of it happening at the clink. First we have to get a team then its a matter of waiting till it happens. Plus if the NHL wants to see the Seattle market get going big time after a team arrives, a winter classic against Vancouver would do that.


Last edited by gstommylee: 01-02-2014 at 03:01 PM.
gstommylee is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:13 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2016 All Rights Reserved.