People should realize Gus scored the exact same number of goals in the AHL during the regular season last year. Tatar is a better goal scorer, but not by a significant margin. Love how hot Tatar got in the playoffs goal scoring wise, but Nyquist was the better player by a decent margin when they were lined up side by side the last two years.
I like the "fire" that Tatar plays with. I think that kind of energy is infectious, especially on depth scoring lines. In games where out top lines looked flat, it was nice to see Tatar looking dangerous regularly, and he seems to always be in "attack mode".
Thought your analysis of play style, was pretty fair. Tatar plays more of a straight forward game and wants the puck in high scoring areas, and knows how to finish around the net.
Nyquist is more of a change-of-pace player that is shifty and has good vision.
With both guys on the team next year it should upgrade our skill level among our top 9 forwards, assuming they both hopefully play there.
Who becomes better with time is anyone's guess. I think to date it is clear Nyquist has accomplished more, which is why it's fair to assume he's better today. That could change quickly. I think one of Jurco/Mantha will surpass both these guys in the near future anyway.
Based on my "eye test" last season I can't agree more. Tatar showed pure determination when he got the puck in the scoring areas. I remember that deke in the paint Tatar did just before he roofed the puck. It just comes natural to him.
But I actually voted for Nyquist. As many have said, his two-way game is better. I guess that's why Babs play him more. I see him creating "more out of nothing" than Tatar.
Have a hard time seeing that at all. Hossa is so much more physically dominant and imposing than either Nyquist or Tatar.
I always thought it was kind of similar to Hudler (Tatar) vs Filppula (Nyquist).
Though I don't think that's great either since Tatar is clearly quicker than Hudler, and probably has a little different play-style.
Tatar=Hudler is kind of a ridiculous comparison. Hudler was and is a capable goal scorer, but his playmaking is even more impressive. Tatar is not nearly as skilled a playmaker. But he is much more aggressive a shooter, far speedier, and probably has a better shot (at minimum for his age if not outright). Nyquist is more similar to Hudler, except Hudler goes to the net more and isn't as flashy; the Filppula comparison is pretty accurate but Flip isn't as willing to shoot the puck; his reluctance to shoot (except in 2011-12, when Z was playmaker/defensive lock and Hudler(!) was net-front/scavenger on his line pretty much FORCED him into being a shooter).
Originally Posted by Heaton
If Hudler could skate like Tatar or Nyquist he would've been a top ten pick.
Quoting me again? FTR, Hudler was considered to have had top-five skill but his size (more than his speed) was considered to be the main cause of his 50+ spot drop. His speed was secondary, the "little guy who isn't fast" scouting report is believed to have scared teams because they immediately thought "there's no way he'll be effective at the NHL level." Sort of like how the "Soviet/Eastern Bloc factor" caused guys like Fedorov, Bure, Mogilny, Konstantinov, and Jagr to drop even though they were thought very highly of.
I like both guys a lot, right now i give it to gus, not by a lot but a decent amount. Really think next year is going to give us an answer.
Tatar came over as an 18 year old to get used to the NA pro game, which very few do, and played great with 32pts in 58games. followed by seasons of 57 in 70, 58 in 76, and last year 49 in 61 plus the 7 in 18 with DET, and 21 in 24 playoff games.
Gus came and played NCAA which he dominated and in his first full pro season had 58 in 56 plus 7 in 18 for DET(if i remember right he had 6a in his first 7games, then got moved down to 4th line min and hit a slump then got his final point on pavs wing with that tap in anyone could hit). in his second season he blew away the AHL and was the scoring leader till his call up with 60 in 58 and he was on fire the last couple weeks before the call up. and put up 8 in 22 for the wings, and really didn't do too much until brunner was moved down. but was great during the playoffs and really showed the potential he had.
Honestly think that Tats got bored playing in the Ahl when he knew he could be with the big club, especially after this seasons call up, he disappeared until the playoffs. In his call up though, i thought he was one of the best forwards on the team, prob top 3, Tats was all over it, loved his game. We all know what youre getting with Gus, hes a playmaker, great vision, fast, can score goals. But i really hope Tatar puts on a show next year and proves hes just as good if not better than gus. AND i 100% agree that a line of Tats Helm Gus could be the scariest 3rd line in the league and could generate almost as much offense as the second line, would love to see it.
my 2cents atleast...