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Most dysfunctional team to win a cup?

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Future or past winner?

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Future or past winner?
if you can tell the future let me know

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Dysfunctional like how? Unbalanced roster? Strong personalities? Came out of nowhere? Won a lot of crazy games/lots of OT?

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I can't answer for the SC but will give you a perfect example of what I think he is referring to....

The 1986 New York Mets. Complete **** show.


Please read the article for how crazy it really was.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-new-york-mets








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I'm thinking off the top of my head the 07 ducks.
Carlyle is well known to be a statistically terrible coach and there are large groups of people that say pronger niedermayer selanne etc dragged him kicking and screaming to a title.

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Dysfunctional like how? Unbalanced roster? Strong personalities? Came out of nowhere? Won a lot of crazy games/lots of OT?
Ya, I'm wondering the same thing.

Unbalanced roster - I dunno... In recent years the '09 Penguins? More than any other recent winner the team seemed to have a lot of spare misfit parts. That team probably doesn't do much of anything if their two very elite centres don't both happen to have all time great playoff production that year.

Strong Personalities - I suspect that this is closest to what the OP means... I bunch of strong personalities that create a divided/tension filled team. Off the top of my head I can't think of one.

Came out of nowhere - Carolina in '06 perhaps? They made the final in '02, but didn't even make the playoffs in '03 and '04 and I think they have only made the playoffs once since then in '09(?).

Won a lot of crazy games/lots of OT - Didn't the '93 Canadiens go something like 10-0 in OT that year?

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Ya, I'm wondering the same thing.

Unbalanced roster - I dunno... In recent years the '09 Penguins? More than any other recent winner the team seemed to have a lot of spare misfit parts. That team probably doesn't do much of anything if their two very elite centres don't both happen to have all time great playoff production that year.

Strong Personalities - I suspect that this is closest to what the OP means... I bunch of strong personalities that create a divided/tension filled team. Off the top of my head I can't think of one.

Came out of nowhere - Carolina in '06 perhaps? They made the final in '02, but didn't even make the playoffs in '03 and '04 and I think they have only made the playoffs once since then in '09(?).

Won a lot of crazy games/lots of OT - Didn't the '93 Canadiens go something like 10-0 in OT that year?
Those Canes teams weren't to be taken lightly even in 2009 I'll never forget the meltdown the Devils had against the Canes in game 7 of the quarterfinals. Brodeur let's in two soft goals in the last minute and a half and just like that Carolina advanced

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I mean, Pens this year kinda. Started out really bad, won the cup with 3 guys who not many thought would play in the NHL this year having big impacts on forward, bad defense on paper (but clearly not on the ice) and a rookie goalie who barely played in the NHL before the playoffs.

But still, it will be remembered as Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang so it wont seem that way

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Those Canes teams weren't to be taken lightly even in 2009 I'll never forget the meltdown the Devils had against the Canes in game 7 of the quarterfinals. Brodeur let's in two soft goals in the last minute and a half and just like that Carolina advanced
Ya, the Hurricanes of the aughts seemed to be a bit feast or famine. Three deep playoffs runs interspersed between seasons of no playoffs at all.

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Closest to a completely dysfunctional team I can remember to nearly winning the whole thing were the Flyers under Lavi with the whole "Dry Island" era going strong.

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Closest to a completely dysfunctional team I can remember to nearly winning the whole thing were the Flyers under Lavi with the whole "Dry Island" era going strong.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Maybe that sort of translates to 2011/2012 Kings?

- Coaching change midway through the season (3 different coaches that year)
- Squeaked into playoffs as an 8th seed (1st 8th seed to win SC)
- Traded for Mike Richards + Jeff Carter who were part of the dysfunction in Philly

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Montreal 1971. The coach was fired right after they won.

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'94 Rangers. Read "Losing the Edge".

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I mean, Pens this year kinda. Started out really bad, won the cup with 3 guys who not many thought would play in the NHL this year having big impacts on forward, bad defense on paper (but clearly not on the ice) and a rookie goalie who barely played in the NHL before the playoffs.

But still, it will be remembered as Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang so it wont seem that way
Eh...the Pens were playing like a well-oiled machine by the time the playoffs rolled around and there was a real sense of the team enjoying playing with each other. They're hardly the first team to turn things around after starting the season so poorly.

Generally speaking it's going to be next to impossible for a truly dysfunctional team to win a championship in a 30 team league with a salary cap. Seems like something that would happen more in the 70s/80s, but I'm too young to speak of specific instances.

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'94 Rangers. Read "Losing the Edge".
Will check that one out. I love weird and interesting reads about the sport, one of the reasons "The Rebel League" is always highly recommended by me.

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Closest to a completely dysfunctional team I can remember to nearly winning the whole thing were the Flyers under Lavi with the whole "Dry Island" era going strong.
They were the first team to come to my mind as well.

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Montreal 1971. The coach was fired right after they won.
Came here for this one.
Captain Henri Richard said Al MacNeil was the worst coach he'd ever played for.

Imagine Crosby coming out and saying that about Sullivan or Bylsma.

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1994 NYR went from toast of the league to losing their coach right after they won & missing the playoffs the season after.

2016 Pens are another good example.

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1994 NYR went from toast of the league to losing their coach right after they won & missing the playoffs the season after.
The Rangers made the playoffs in 1995, 1996, and 1997.

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1994 NYR went from toast of the league to losing their coach right after they won & missing the playoffs the season after.

2016 Pens are another good example.
They were playing a terrible system, with poor coaching and player usage at the beginning of the season, but I don't think that qualifies them as "dysfunctional". They were the best team in the league from January onward. The early season hot takes are humorous to look back at now.

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I would say the 1984 Canada Cup - Team Canada. Yes, they came together after a heated discussion from the Islanders players to the Oilers players. That was literally half of the team between those two Cup finalists. But they decided to put their differences aside and go out and beat the Russians because that was important to them. Must have been hard to team up with the young punks that stole your "5 in a row" run.

I'll also say, the Dallas Cowboys of 1995. The third Super Bowl in 4 years. Had a loose cannon of a coach in Barry Switzer who made some boneheaded calls. Had the whole image of drugs and such swirling around them in which Michael Irvin would eventually get charged with. They were erratic, but they won.

I'm also going to name the 1972 Team Canada team on this list. Poor team selections, players walking out and going home, Esposito calling out the country (still a classic though). This was not a team that looked like they were going to string out a comeback for the ages.

1967 Maple Leafs. They lost 10 games in a row at one point (has a Cup winner done that?) Punch Imlach was hospitalized during the season, they used 5 different goalies throughout the year thanks to injuries, they were old, they allowed more goals in the regular season than they scored (never happens to a Cup winner). Yet they all put it together for the playoffs by beating a great Hawks team and a dynasty Habs team.

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The '71 Canadiens might have banded together and become a closer, more tight-knit group against Al Smith. It's possible they rallied behind their hatred of their coach.

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Better than any Stanley Cup team, the most dysfunctional hockey team ever was the Soviet Red Army team.

The founder of Soviet hockey was Anatoli Tarasov. He was a beloved and respected teacher and father figure.

The hated but successful coach of the Soviet national team, however, was Vicktor Tikhonov. His record as coach, nevertheless, is impressive:

World Championship gold in 1978–1979, 1981–1983, 1986, 1989, 1990.
Olympics gold in 1984, 1988, 1992; silver in 1980.
1979 Challenge Cup and 1981 Canada Cup.
(Source: Wikipedia)

Tikhonov was a cold dictatorial control freak, giving the players little freedom since they were technically, at least, still part of the Red Army. Many of his players hated him and several defected to play in the NHL.

Many of the players despised their coach and his system of training. They endured harsh discipline. They faced harsh military justice for disobeying and were always under the surveillance by the KGB. They were often too distrustful of other players to share their plans to defect.

There is a good (but flawed) ESPN documentary on the Red Army hockey team.

Despite this insanity, these teams were among the best to ever skate on ice.


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