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06-23-2005, 01:08 PM
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Ott - SJ trade prop

Marleau for Hossa straight up, who'd do it, who wins this?

The No. 1 center that Ottawa needs for a No. 1 RW for SJ to give them some extra offence.

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06-23-2005, 01:30 PM
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Marleau for Hossa straight up, who'd do it, who wins this?

The No. 1 center that Ottawa needs for a No. 1 RW for SJ to give them some extra offence.
No, from an Ottawa perspective.

Hossa > Marleau

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Ottawa gets robbed.

Maybe a Havlat + pick for Marleau deal would be more appropriate.

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Then who plays C for SJ?

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No thanks from a Sens fan. I think Ottawa is overpaying there, and it's also a questionable move for the Sharks. Sure, they get Hossa, but what are they going to do for a #1 centre? Sturm? McCauley? They're better off keeping Marleau and building around him, IMO. Besides, Ottawa already has a budding #1 C in Spezza. If the Sens are going to acquire a guy who can step in and take over the #1 C spot rightaway, they'll do so via free agency.

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No from Ottawa. We already have a young, future franchise center in Jason Spezza.

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Hossa's value is way higher than Marleau's. Hossa's basically been a point per game guy for the last 4 seasons. In the last 4 years he has 302 points in 322 games. Marleau in those 4 years has 210 points in 322 games. That's a huge huge difference, and don't give me the line of that Marleau's a better two way player, because Hossa pays a strong defensive game too. If SJ wants Hossa the package would have to be something like this :

Nabokov, McLaren, McCauley, 2nd and 3rd rounders in 2005.

Something like that and Ottawa might bite, otherwise they wouldn't give up one of the top 5 players in the league.

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Hossa's value is way higher than Marleau's. Hossa's basically been a point per game guy for the last 4 seasons. In the last 4 years he has 302 points in 322 games. Marleau in those 4 years has 210 points in 322 games. That's a huge huge difference, and don't give me the line of that Marleau's a better two way player, because Hossa pays a strong defensive game too. If SJ wants Hossa the package would have to be something like this :

Nabokov, McLaren, McCauley, 2nd and 3rd rounders in 2005.

Something like that and Ottawa might bite, otherwise they wouldn't give up one of the top 5 players in the league.
Hossa > Marleau, so the Sharks win the trade. Sharks would do it in a heartbeat and then deal with the problem of acquiring a first line center.

As for your above Hossa for Nabokov, McLaren, McCauley, 2nd and 3rd rounders in 2005 proposal.... Overpayment by the Sharks.

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Hossa's value is way higher than Marleau's. Hossa's basically been a point per game guy for the last 4 seasons. In the last 4 years he has 302 points in 322 games. Marleau in those 4 years has 210 points in 322 games. That's a huge huge difference, and don't give me the line of that Marleau's a better two way player, because Hossa pays a strong defensive game too. If SJ wants Hossa the package would have to be something like this :

Nabokov, McLaren, McCauley, 2nd and 3rd rounders in 2005.

Something like that and Ottawa might bite, otherwise they wouldn't give up one of the top 5 players in the league.

In no order:

Thornton
Kovalchuk
Brodeur
Lidstrom
Pronger
Iginla
Nash


top 5?

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06-23-2005, 03:02 PM
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In no order:

Thornton
Kovalchuk
Brodeur
Lidstrom
Pronger
Iginla
Nash


top 5?
Nash????
Seems a little premature. His still lacks a defensive game, and playmaking game.

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What about Naslund,Sakic,Forsberg and Niedermayer??

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All of those players are about the same. Hossa has as much skill as anyone on that group. It really is impossible to know which is the best in that group since they have differant skills and characteristics. Certainly Hossa can be called a top 5 player, even though it may not be true.

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Something like that and Ottawa might bite, otherwise they wouldn't give up one of the top 5 players in the league.
Top 5? No. Top 15? Maybe.

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beats marleau who isn't in the top 30.

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Points for originality. At least it wasn't a Havlat proposal.

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The first proposal was terrible, and the counter proposal from the Sens fan was equally as terrible.

This thread isn't very productive thus far.

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Marleau for Hossa straight up, who'd do it, who wins this?

The No. 1 center that Ottawa needs for a No. 1 RW for SJ to give them some extra offence.
Even the Shark fans admit Hossa is more valuable.

Looks like someone has a hard time evaluating the talent on a team he hates.

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These two teams are lousy trading partners. Anything they'll do that's remotely equitable will just be a sideways move since they are both in the exact same stage of team development. A young loaded team that is really 1 or 2 players and a run of luck (all teams need luck) away from the Cup. San Jose needs more scoring and Ottawa needs help down the middle (center and goalie). Both have good defensive forwards and a great set of big mobile defensemen.

Hossa is the better player, but Marleau would help the Sens more than Hossa would help the Sharks. Ottawa is swimming in really good wingers and needs a center (as far as skaters are concerned). The Sharks just need more scoring in general, but moving their best center to attain that isn't a good idea.

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In no order:

Thornton
Kovalchuk
Brodeur
Lidstrom
Pronger
Iginla
Nash


top 5?
Nash? Seriously. Great, the guy scored 41 goals, but only ended up with 57 points. 2 years ago, Hossa scored 45 goals and ended with 80 points. Plus, he's far better defensively.

Last year, Hossa finished 5th in league scoring. If you take the past 4 years combined, only 4 players have scored more points than Hossa over that span.

He can be argued as a top 5 player and if you don't agree with that, he is definately in the top 10.

Marleau? He scored 2 more points than Spezza last year in 2 more games, but played first line minutes. Sure he's good, but no where near Hossa's level.

I wouldn't even trade Spezza for Marleau right now, because he's younger and produced just as much last season playing less minutes.

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To San Jose: Havlat and Kaigorodov

To Ottawa: Marleau and Michalek

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To San Jose: Havlat and Kaigorodov

To Ottawa: Marleau and Michalek
Even though Michalek has had knee troubles, he's still a much better prospect than Kaigorodov.

I just don't see Marleau being tradeable for San Jose.

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Even though Michalek has had knee troubles, he's still a much better prospect than Kaigorodov.

I just don't see Marleau being tradeable for San Jose.
Ding! ding! ding! We have a winner. Unless somebody wants to overpay big time.

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Ding! ding! ding! We have a winner. Unless somebody wants to overpay big time.
I win? That's awesome. If I get to choose what I want, I'd like to choose Marco Sturm...

Just for the record, I'd love Marco Sturm on the Sens, and I would take him over Patrick Marleau.

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Top 5? No. Top 15? Maybe.
Hossa is a top 5 in the league. He's just as valuable as Thornton is, is also younger than Iginla and is just getting ready to peak. Yeah, Hossa IS a top 5 in this league.

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Top 5? No. Top 15? Maybe.
no not maybe. Hossa is one of the very top skaters in the league. Top 10 for sure, and an easy argument can be made for top 5.

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Hossa is the better player, but Marleau would help the Sens more than Hossa would help the Sharks.
i totally disagree. Hossa is by far the better player and vital to Ottawa's success. Marleau would be our 2nd line center and to be frank with you i think Marleau is overrated.
For a center he's not a very good passer, and he doesn't seem to have anything better than good hockey sense, its not bad, not great, but good.
If he's more of a goal scoring center then why would we get rid of Hossa who's a far better scorer?

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In no order:

Thornton
Kovalchuk
Brodeur
Lidstrom
Pronger
Iginla
Nash


top 5?
Nash?? come on.
Brodeur, Ok how about we limit it to players that need to skate.
Iginla - sure no problem with that.
Lidstrom - again fine
Pronger - fine
Kovalchuk - i prefer Hossa, plays both ways and gives up little offensively to Kovalchuk

anyway there are other players that could be debated for sure. depending on what you're looking for, but Hossa is any conversation of top players in the game.

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