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08-06-2013, 11:00 PM
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Really? Because it's not. It's horrible for Buffalo.

Edmonton is right up against the cap. Hemsky is making 5 Million. Dubynk is making 3.5 Million. Miller with salary retained is going to save Edmonton just under 6 Million. That's a huge chunk of change to have at their disposal if they are in the playoff picture come trade deadline. Edmonton will be able to do very little at the trade deadline unless they make a move like this. Hell they could trade for Vanek at the deadline with that much space and some.

Taking on almost 6 Million in contracts in this market is huge, really really huge. Buffalo is one of the few teams to have cap space to do it and of those teams the only one that has an owner willing to take on the dollar amount. Why shouldn't the be rewarded for doing it? Everyone keeps saying it's a cap world but aren't taking into consideration that Buffalo is taking on 8.5 Million in contracts in this deal for essentially nothing. I get the feeling that people think that just because Buffalo can do it they should do it for free.
You would really only be taking on just over 2 mil in salary. I wouldn't expect Buffalo to retain any salary at all.

I would not doubt that MacT is interested. And none of us can really know what the asking price for Miller is. But I would certainly bet that by the start of the 2014-2015 season, Miller will be on a different team.

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08-06-2013, 11:56 PM
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You would really only be taking on just over 2 mil in salary. I wouldn't expect Buffalo to retain any salary at all.

I would not doubt that MacT is interested. And none of us can really know what the asking price for Miller is. But I would certainly bet that by the start of the 2014-2015 season, Miller will be on a different team.
Trade Miller for only a little over two million more in salary and two players they don't really want. What a great deal for Buffalo, how could they refuse?

The Sabres have a lot of goalie prospects right now including two not named Miller ready for NHL work, and while they could use some wingers I think they probably want them younger and more durable than Hemsky.

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08-07-2013, 02:41 AM
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People like to think his Vezina year was his only good year. No one acknowledges that the years before that when Buffalo played a wide open game it wasn't uncommon to see Miller stop 2-3 breakaways a game. The team could play that style because of Miller. Take a look at the amount of SHG the Sabres have given up over the past 4 or 5 years and you can see how good the team was defensively. Lindy Ruff had the team playing a defensive scheme that was way above the talent level of the team. The guy has a decent amount of faults as a goaltender but he's always been in that 5-8 area even if his individual stats don't show it.
This is what I've tried telling people before(not in this thread, just in the past). When Miller is on his game, I don't even worry about odd-man rushes. Miller hasn't been the Miller we know the last season or two but I know Miller would take a trade to a new team as a new beginning and would become the Miller us Buffalo fans know and love.

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08-07-2013, 11:09 AM
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I know this is going nowhere but what about Miller,Foligno and Ott for Hemsky,Dubnyk,Klefbom,Pitlick and 2014 1st

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08-07-2013, 11:19 AM
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I know this is going nowhere but what about Miller,Foligno and Ott for Hemsky,Dubnyk,Klefbom,Pitlick and 2014 1st
This might be the basis of something that in some incarnation COULD work, but I think Edm wants and should have Miller as the tutor to Dubnyk,

Ryan Miller, comes on board with 3 year extension as part of the deal, no longer dispirited from constantly carrying low scoring Sabres team using Lindy Ruff D style, returns to close to Vezina form. Duby learns. After 2.5 -3 years, if Duby good and a replacement is ready, can trade Miller. Mean time get solid G production.

Miller has shown Vezina ability in past.
Assuming no physical injury we are unaware, and no huge drop in reflexes, more likely he can resume this form to some substantial degree than not.

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08-07-2013, 12:17 PM
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I know this is going nowhere but what about Miller,Foligno and Ott for Hemsky,Dubnyk,Klefbom,Pitlick and 2014 1st

WT?...Why???

Buffalo does not need Dubnyk....buffalo has no need for Pitlick......while Klefbom has value they dont defense.


N top of miller you want to include Ott who buffalo could trade for a 1st alone...and the Foligno.

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08-07-2013, 12:37 PM
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I know this is going nowhere but what about Miller,Foligno and Ott for Hemsky,Dubnyk,Klefbom,Pitlick and 2014 1st
At this point Foligno and Ott are non starters... and Buffalo has no use for Dubnyk - we already have an Enroth & a Hackett (plus a Knapp, and a Lieuwen)

If you're looking for some Grit & Vet presence, perhaps a counter of...

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G Ryan Miller ($2.25M retained = $4M hit)
W Patrick Kaleta ($1.25M) or W Corey Tropp ($700K)
W Cody McCormick ($1M)

To

W Ales Hemsky ($5M)
C Tyler Pitlick ($900K)
W Ben Eager ($1.2M) ** DUMP **
2014 conditional 2nd RND pick (becomes 2014 1st if Miller re-signs)

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08-07-2013, 12:54 PM
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At this point Foligno and Ott are non starters... and Buffalo has no use for Dubnyk - we already have an Enroth & a Hackett (plus a Knapp, and a Lieuwen)

If you're looking for some Grit & Vet presence, perhaps a counter of...

To

G Ryan Miller ($2.25M retained = $4M hit)
W Patrick Kaleta ($1.25M) or W Corey Tropp ($700K)
W Cody McCormick ($1M)

To

W Ales Hemsky ($5M)
C Tyler Pitlick ($900K)
W Ben Eager ($1.2M) ** DUMP **
2014 conditional 2nd RND pick (becomes 2014 1st if Miller re-signs)
I don't hate this deal. Since the draft comes prior to free agency they would have to resin Miller during the season. I think the pick becomes a first rounder if the Oilers make the playoffs or it should simply be a first with no conditions since we are basically aking two cap dumps.

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08-07-2013, 12:58 PM
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At this point Foligno and Ott are non starters... and Buffalo has no use for Dubnyk - we already have an Enroth & a Hackett (plus a Knapp, and a Lieuwen)

If you're looking for some Grit & Vet presence, perhaps a counter of...

To

G Ryan Miller ($2.25M retained = $4M hit)
W Patrick Kaleta ($1.25M) or W Corey Tropp ($700K)
W Cody McCormick ($1M)

To

W Ales Hemsky ($5M)
C Tyler Pitlick ($900K)
W Ben Eager ($1.2M) ** DUMP **
2014 conditional 2nd RND pick (becomes 2014 1st if Miller re-signs)

Interesting. I also don't hate this deal as an Edm fan.

What to other Oil / Sabres fans think?

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08-07-2013, 01:02 PM
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At this point Foligno and Ott are non starters... and Buffalo has no use for Dubnyk - we already have an Enroth & a Hackett (plus a Knapp, and a Lieuwen)

If you're looking for some Grit & Vet presence, perhaps a counter of...

To

G Ryan Miller ($2.25M retained = $4M hit)
W Patrick Kaleta ($1.25M) or W Corey Tropp ($700K)
W Cody McCormick ($1M)

To

W Ales Hemsky ($5M)
C Tyler Pitlick ($900K)
W Ben Eager ($1.2M) ** DUMP **
2014 conditional 2nd RND pick (becomes 2014 1st if Miller re-signs)
take out all the nonsense... and you're left with a realistic proposal


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G Ryan Miller ($2.25M retained = $4M hit)


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W Ales Hemsky ($5M)
2014 conditional 2nd RND pick (becomes 2014 1st if Miller re-signs)

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08-07-2013, 01:13 PM
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take out all the nonsense... and you're left with a realistic proposal


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G Ryan Miller ($2.25M retained = $4M hit)


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W Ales Hemsky ($5M)
2014 conditional 2nd RND pick (becomes 2014 1st if Miller re-signs)
call up Regier + MacT and tell em we have a deal!

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08-07-2013, 01:16 PM
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take out all the nonsense... and you're left with a realistic proposal


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G Ryan Miller ($2.25M retained = $4M hit)


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W Ales Hemsky ($5M)
2014 conditional 2nd RND pick (becomes 2014 1st if Miller re-signs)
This is plain awful for Buffalo. Sorry. A winger who would likely clear waivers because of his salary (5 million for a winger who hasn't scored more than 14 goals since 2008) for a top 10 goalie in the NHL? Oh and a 2nd round pick. I think Regier would rather hold onto Miller till the trade deadline then get this stinker of a return. Oh I just noted we had to retain salary. Ooof. Awful.

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Ugly stuff in here .. Buffalo needs some kinda value back for Miller or why wouldn't they just look else where ..

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At least add a prospect like Rajala/Scoring winger prospect in the package



Ales Hemsky
Toni Rajala
Conditional 2nd (becomes a 1st if Miller resigns)

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Ryan Miller

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A winger who would likely clear waivers ...
Do you think someone would pick up Miller? who?

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take out all the nonsense... and you're left with a realistic proposal


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G Ryan Miller ($2.25M retained = $4M hit)


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W Ales Hemsky ($5M)
2014 conditional 2nd RND pick (becomes 2014 1st if Miller re-signs)
Biggest problem is that it would have to be a 2015 pick. The Oilers traded their 2014 2nd in the deal for Perron, and what would happen if they signed Miller after the 2014 draft but before they lose his rights on July 1st?

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At least add a prospect like Rajala/Scoring winger prospect in the package



Ales Hemsky
Toni Rajala
Conditional 2nd (becomes a 1st if Miller resigns)

for



Ryan Miller
I like this as an Oil fan. Rajala is good young prospect but the Oil have no room for them.

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Do you think someone would pick up Miller? who?
There are certainly teams that would take Miller for free. Calgary for one.

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Do you think someone would pick up Miller? who?
Lots. Calgary, Edmonton, nyi, St. Louis, Florida. That's just off the top of my head

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I actually don't think the Flames would take Miller even for "free" (I assume that means they send no assets back the other way).

Does Miller make them a playoff team? No. All he would do is potentially screw up their draft position a few spots and be a $6 million dollar cheque for ownership to have to sign.

St. Louis can't take the cap hit either.

Islanders, maybe there I could see a fit but they operate under a fairly tight budget I think.

I don't think there are many takers for Miller right now ... the teams that are contenders are mostly set in net. The ones that could use upgrading in net are generally budget or rebuilding teams.

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Lots. Calgary, Edmonton, nyi, St. Louis, Florida. That's just off the top of my head
Edmonton has no cap space, Islanders no budget, St. Louis has to sign Pietrangelo and Florida has Markstrom and wants to play their young guys, Calgary has Kipper.

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I actually don't think the Flames would take Miller even for no asset return.

Does Miller make them a playoff team? No. All he would do is potentially screw up their draft position a few spots and be a $6 million dollar cheque for ownership to have to sign.


St. Louis can't take the cap hit either.

Islanders, maybe there I could see a fit but they operate under a fairly tight budget I think.

I don't think there are many takers for Miller right now ... the teams that are contenders are mostly set in net. The ones that could use upgrading in net are generally budget or rebuilding teams.
That would be called losing on purpose, and according to Flame fans they don't believe in that.

I think they would take him. Even bad teams have a need for stability in net. Young players, especially defensemen, need to know they can make a mistake without it automatically up as a goal against.

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That would be called losing on purpose, and according to Flame fans they don't believe in that.

I think they would take him. Even bad teams have a need for stability in net. Young players, especially defensemen, need to know they can make a mistake without it automatically up as a goal against.
Yeah but Calgary certainly is not going to give Buffalo any notable picks period, they are in a clear rebuild.

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Yeah but Calgary certainly is not going to give Buffalo any notable picks period, they are in a clear rebuild.
The question was would they claim Miller off waivers (ie. for free).

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Calgary has Kipper.
Did he un-retire?

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