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08-07-2013, 09:58 AM
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It can also be viewed as a lack of discipline. It's a tender balance.
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08-07-2013, 10:02 AM
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lol, blaming the media
what, you don't think the media lies, or manipulates stories for better sales? the whole incident (i believe) your talking about started with a reporter, asking Miller questions about Kaleta. The reporter left out certain words to "make a better story"

It's pretty easy to aggitate people, if you want proof, just read through some of these forums.

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08-07-2013, 10:20 AM
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lol, blaming the media
LOLWUT?

Any objective observer of the Buffalo sports media would acknowledge that Miller gets baited, poked, and prodded because they realized early on they can get him to react to get their soundbites.

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08-07-2013, 10:50 AM
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LOLWUT?

Any objective observer of the Buffalo sports media would acknowledge that Miller gets baited, poked, and prodded because they realized early on they can get him to react to get their soundbites.
The fact that he reacts at all is a problem, the way he reacts lacks maturity.

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08-07-2013, 10:54 AM
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The fact that he reacts at all is a problem, the way he reacts lacks maturity.
Exactly. If you want a foil look at Derek Jeter. The NYC Media is much worse than Buffalo, and you will never see him get baited into a fiery exchange with a reporter.

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08-07-2013, 11:52 AM
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The fact that he reacts at all is a problem, the way he reacts lacks maturity.
meh, i just see it as him being passionate. He holds people accountable, and speaks his mind, and he usually isn't wrong.

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Exactly. If you want a foil look at Derek Jeter. The NYC Media is much worse than Buffalo, and you will never see him get baited into a fiery exchange with a reporter.
In 2010 he wasn't happy with how his contract negotiations were going and lashed out in a press conference. If Miller did that everyone would call him arrogant

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08-07-2013, 12:26 PM
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The fact that he reacts at all is a problem, the way he reacts lacks maturity.
I wouldn't agree. I consider you a mature person, and you tend to pop off here when people question you repeatedly on a subject.

I don't consider it immature at all that someone who gets badgered by downright dumb questions daily as a career hazard pops off once in a while.

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08-07-2013, 12:33 PM
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I wouldn't agree. I consider you a mature person, and you tend to pop off here when people question you repeatedly on a subject.

I don't consider it immature at all that someone who gets badgered by downright dumb questions daily as a career hazard pops off once in a while.
Are you saying a 6 million dollar franchise goaltender should be held to the same maturity standards as someone posting on an internet forum?

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08-07-2013, 02:22 PM
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How relevant is "maturity" whatever that actually means in this context, when we're talking about grown adults who literally play a game for a living.

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Are you saying a 6 million dollar franchise goaltender should be held to the same maturity standards as someone posting on an internet forum?
Why should he be held to a different standard? He's just a hockey player.

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The return for Miller should be a young roster player+ good B level prospect/early 2nd/late 1st draft pick.

Not a declining fragile winger who will take a roster spot and playing time away from one of our young players and likely produce about the same.

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08-07-2013, 04:27 PM
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Are you saying a 6 million dollar franchise goaltender should be held to the same maturity standards as someone posting on an internet forum?
To do otherwise would amount to a double standard.

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08-07-2013, 05:22 PM
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To do otherwise would amount to a double standard.
yea... totally.... all environments are the same, and therefore all behavior and actions within those environments can and should be treated equally

are you guys serious?

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08-07-2013, 06:28 PM
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To do otherwise would amount to a double standard.
Double standards are a fact of life. Athletes are in the media spotlight and as such are held to a higher standard. I have no problem with Miller's passion and desire to win, but he's got to learn to keep his mouth shut at times.

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The double standard is allowable(in my eyes) since they get paid WAY over anything a normal person does for a job they supposedly love. Hell, even 10% of what most hockey players is still extreme in the grand scheme of things.

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yea... totally.... all environments are the same, and therefore all behavior and actions within those environments can and should be treated equally

are you guys serious?
At my job, I get held to pretty much the same standard and I get paid a lot less than a professional athlete. Heck, I'd say I get held to a higher standard than a professional athlete because of the potential consequences from an immature action on my part. Maturity isn't a reflection of one's paycheck, as much as some folk would like to make it such. Maturity is maturity, regardless of the situation.

To me, this debate about maturity is pretty much a reflection of the Miller discussion as a whole. Most of those that don't like Miller will find him lacking maturity. Those that do, won't make a big deal of the issue. Personally, I wish he had shown the wisdom not to take the bait on the Kaleta issue, but he "was" baited.

Also, using the "rolling eyes" face whenever someone disagrees with you as you are prone to do, is considered by many to be rather immature.

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08-08-2013, 09:02 AM
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I love how Miller is considered immature for responding to a dumb question in a way someone thinks he should not, but the media members who ASK the dumb questions get off scott free.

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At my job, I get held to pretty much the same standard and I get paid a lot less than a professional athlete. Heck, I'd say I get held to a higher standard than a professional athlete because of the potential consequences from an immature action on my part. Maturity isn't a reflection of one's paycheck, as much as some folk would like to make it such. Maturity is maturity, regardless of the situation.

To me, this debate about maturity is pretty much a reflection of the Miller discussion as a whole. Most of those that don't like Miller will find him lacking maturity. Those that do, won't make a big deal of the issue. Personally, I wish he had shown the wisdom not to take the bait on the Kaleta issue, but he "was" baited.

Also, using the "rolling eyes" face whenever someone disagrees with you as you are prone to do, is considered by many to be rather immature.
and the consequences of my "rolleyes:?

different environments...

At least you acknowledge that he should've "shown more wisdom" (aka a bit more maturity)...
If I'm baited on this forum, the impact is negligible... If an athlete is baited, it could impact a lockerroom...

different environments... different standards...

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lol, blaming the media
Would you care to expand this insightful counterpoint? Since I'm not quite clear on exactly what I'm "blaming" the media for.

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and the consequences of my "rolleyes:?

different environments...

At least you acknowledge that he should've "shown more wisdom" (aka a bit more maturity)...
If I'm baited on this forum, the impact is negligible... If an athlete is baited, it could impact a lockerroom...

different environments... different standards...
Maturity is maturity, wherever one is, and whatever one does. Rationalizing things does not change that.

Enough of that from me in this thread though.

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08-08-2013, 02:35 PM
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I think Edmonton is a awful trading partner for Miller unless Oscar Klefbom is included.. Hemskybis a salary dump and Edmonton won't part with a 1st pick.

Likely be

Miller for Hemsky / C prospect, multiple 2nds IMO

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Miller for Gagner and a 1st and a 3rd would prob due it for me

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As I said in the other thread in the trades section.

Miller (perhaps sign and/or trade with cap relief)
Ennis
McNabb/McCabe/Pysyk (yes I know they have different value)
2014 Pick (depending on who comes from EDM)

Hemsky
Hall/Gagne/Eberle (yes I know they have different value)
LaBarbera

I was thinking they might make a deal for a young winger one tier down from what they have but at a better cap hit long term (Ennis) and a young 3/4 D who might become a top pairing as well as a goalie who comes with cap relief. Miller is not the center of the deal but a cog in this case.

Hemsky has little to no value but would have to come back for salary reasons, same with one year of LaBarbera but for G depth until Hackett is ready.


It solves some problems for both teams. Buffalo gets a top line forward which allows them the flexibility to move Vanek if need be to continue the youth movement. The Oil shore up goalie for a few years, pick up a D-man to fill in their pipeline and still get a good 2nd line winger in Ennis.

I honestly think there is something here for both teams.

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Miller for Gagner and a 1st and a 3rd would prob due it for me
Oh is that all?

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As I said in the other thread in the trades section.

Miller (perhaps sign and/or trade with cap relief)
Ennis
McNabb/McCabe/Pysyk (yes I know they have different value)
2014 Pick (depending on who comes from EDM)

Hemsky
Hall/Gagne/Eberle (yes I know they have different value)
LaBarbera

I would do:

Miller, Ennis, Stafford for Hemsky, Eberle

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