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08-29-2013, 11:43 AM
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Well....

Well I guess it's POSSIBLE. But unlikely, to say the least.



OK fine, you wouldn't do it. But, Henrique and Severson isn't that much to pay for a player of Spezza's caliber.
Spezza has missed more than a full seasons worth of games since 2009. Its not Spezza's caliber that is in doubt and if it is it sure as hell shouldn't be.

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Well....

Well I guess it's POSSIBLE. But unlikely, to say the least.



OK fine, you wouldn't do it. But, Henrique and Severson isn't that much to pay for a player of Spezza's caliber.
i'm not saying severson is a lock to be a top pairing guy, but he certainly could be. he seems to have all of the tools.

and no henrique and severson is pretty cheap for a player like spezza, but when you are in the position as a franchise that nj is, it doesn't make much sense to trade away two of your best young assets for a guy that's already 30.

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08-30-2013, 06:41 AM
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If Spezza could be brought in for Severson and Henrique I'd think the Devils would have to do it.

Personally I think New Jersey has to rebuild its pipeline and especially at forward--only Boucher and Matteau stand out there. Questionable how either will transition to the pros but if I were to guess Matteau has 2nd line upside but more likely eventually a good third liner. Boucher more of a top 6 guy. That's not nearly enough to have coming along and speaks to Henrique's value to the team moving forward. Henrique looks more like a 2nd line center though than a first--hence you move him for Spezza if you can. In any case I'd think that NJ would have to add more to get Spezza but seriously I don't think Ottawa is at all interested in moving him--especially now that they have Ryan.

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That would be one crazy news day!

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It would be hilarious if Ottawa did that to make room for Stepan and then he doesn't even sign an offer sheet.

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Jason Spezza
Eric Gryba







Adam Henrique
Damon Severson







Mark Fayne
William Karlsson
OTT 1st round pick 2014
NJD 2nd round pick 2014











Ottawa offer sheets Derek Stepan: $30M, 5 years. $6M cap hit. 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks compensation.







New Jersey does it because they have no #1 centre. They want to finish as high as possible this coming season because they have no 1st round pick. Spezza helps with that immensely. Gryba is not as good as Fayne but can fill in the top 4 and not look out of place.

Anaheim does it because Koivu is getting old and could use a long term 2nd line centre to play behind Getzlaf. The prospect pool is also forward heavy and Severson is a nice piece to add with their ageing blueline.

Ottawa does it to upgrade their defense with a legit top 4 right shooting defenseman. They also get a younger #1 centre who fits in better with his two-style.
Rangers Match immediately. Ottawa is screwed. lol

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08-30-2013, 03:41 PM
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Rangers Match immediately. Ottawa is screwed. lol
You are going to match a 6M cap hit with only 2M in space?

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You are going to match a 6M cap hit with only 2M in space?

Nope.
Summer cap allows a 10% cushion, the Rangers can move around other pieces.

For one, they have a ton of forwards currently counting against the cap on contracts around $1M that can be waived.

It wouldn't be pleasant, but they could make it work.

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08-30-2013, 04:37 PM
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Summer cap allows a 10% cushion, the Rangers can move around other pieces.

For one, they have a ton of forwards currently counting against the cap on contracts around $1M that can be waived.

It wouldn't be pleasant, but they could make it work.
It would be near impossible.

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08-30-2013, 05:00 PM
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Can't wait to see Stepan get down to earth next year and prove you kid mandy that he's nowhere near Spezza's caliber and never will be. Quit with your Spezza hate / Stepan love, it makes you look like a fool sometimes. We get ***** in that trade

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Summer cap allows a 10% cushion, the Rangers can move around other pieces.

For one, they have a ton of forwards currently counting against the cap on contracts around $1M that can be waived.

It wouldn't be pleasant, but they could make it work.
Under the new CBA, any contract over 925k cannot be buried in the minors or just ''waived'' to get rid of it.


FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Mats Zuccarello ($1.150m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.300m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Darroll Powe ($1.067m) /
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Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Dan Girardi ($3.325m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m)
Anton Stralman ($1.700m) / Justin Falk ($0.975m)
John Moore ($0.965m) /
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Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,956,667; BONUSES: $125,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,468,333




That leaves less than $3.5M to sign Stepan. Is that enough? Not likely.

Any of the forwards^ would have to be TRADED to get rid of their cap hit. That's easier said than done. There are very good UFAs left out there who are most likely asking for under $2M. Getting someone to take one of those forwards may be hard to do.

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08-30-2013, 05:15 PM
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you can bury up to 925 mak. so they could bury asham and only have him count as 75 k against the cap for example

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you can bury up to 925 mak. so they could bury asham and only have him count as 75 k against the cap for example
true that, misinterpreted the rule

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You are going to match a 6M cap hit with only 2M in space?

Nope.
2 million with a 24 man roster.

10% cushion during the off-season

MORE than enough room to match and maneuver to be compliant bu opening night.

NOT A PROBLEM

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2 million with a 24 man roster.

10% cushion during the off-season

MORE than enough room to match and maneuver to be compliant bu opening night.

NOT A PROBLEM
This is why teams need to make offer sheets for the lulz. Guaranteed its matched and it puts the team over the cap. If its unmatched you still get a great player.

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2 million with a 24 man roster.

10% cushion during the off-season

MORE than enough room to match and maneuver to be compliant bu opening night.

NOT A PROBLEM
Regardless, if there is an offer sheet ($6M range), the Rangers will have to make a trade. Dumping a couple guys to the minors will not fix it.

And I don't think trading Boyle will be sufficient either.

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This is why teams need to make offer sheets for the lulz. Guaranteed its matched and it puts the team over the cap. If its unmatched you still get a great player.
This. Would be hilarious to see them scramble to get under the cap.

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Regardless, if there is an offer sheet ($6M range), the Rangers will have to make a trade. Dumping a couple guys to the minors will not fix it.

And I don't think trading Boyle will be sufficient either.



This. Would be hilarious to see them scramble to get under the cap.
To keep Stepan the Rangers will most likely match--bury a couple players and make a trade or two. He is their best young forward and best center and Ottawa trading Spezza and counting on the Rangers not to match a Stepan offer sheet is equivalent to betting on one number for one spin at a roulette table. That's not how a responsible hockey team would do business and past history much more than less shows Ottawa to be a very responsible hockey team. The other part of the equation is that Spezza is more the proven commodity when talking about a legit 1st line center than Stepan and Ottawa just might be a serious contender this year.

Back to the Rangers--most Rangers fans are expecting that some vet forwards are going to be sent down or traded as it is--which has little or nothing to do with what Stepan's next contract is going to look like. The Rangers just have too many vets and too many prospect forwards knocking on the door. It's complicated somewhat by how long Callahan and Hagelin are out though I expect both will be back at least by early November. There's a lot of smoke that has to clear but there are also a bunch of options--when you're looking at maybe 20 different forwards who could conceivably make their team--to make it all work. For now it's a very fluid--not cut and dried--situation.

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08-31-2013, 10:28 AM
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Under the new CBA, any contract over 925k cannot be buried in the minors or just ''waived'' to get rid of it.


FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Mats Zuccarello ($1.150m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.300m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Darroll Powe ($1.067m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Dan Girardi ($3.325m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m)
Anton Stralman ($1.700m) / Justin Falk ($0.975m)
John Moore ($0.965m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,956,667; BONUSES: $125,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,468,333




That leaves less than $3.5M to sign Stepan. Is that enough? Not likely.

Any of the forwards^ would have to be TRADED to get rid of their cap hit. That's easier said than done. There are very good UFAs left out there who are most likely asking for under $2M. Getting someone to take one of those forwards may be hard to do.
False. It can be buried but only 925k will go off the cap hit. Bury Powe and Asham, trade Boyle and problem pretty much solved. Also, if not we have until Novemeber to worry about this as Hagelin and Callahan are out until Mid Novemeber. Although it would SUCK to have to trade Boyle, Moore should be a half way decent replacement.

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You are going to match a 6M cap hit with only 2M in space?

Nope.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Do your homework before posting nonsense, please.

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You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Do your homework before posting nonsense, please.
You want me to go into detail, I will go into detail.

There is 1 team at the moment that does not have 21+ players locked up. Carolina has 19. Teams are not looking to take on salary players right now.

The Rangers have 24 players on 1 way contracts without Stepan. 8 D, 14 forwards 2 Goalies.

If you bury your 2 cheapest D, and demote Moore and Powe and then match Stepan at the $6m cap hit, you are still $529,167 over the cap hit.

If someone offer sheets Stepan at 6M the Rangers are in trouble. Would someone do it? I doubt it, Sather is the type of guy that would offersheet another teams player out of spite. Especially since they have $37M in cap space next year. Can the attitude, show a little respect and stop being an internet tough guy.

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Forget arguing about the Rangers cap situation, the Sens would be swapping Spezza and Gryba off their current team for Stepan and Fayne while adding an additional $1.5 million in salary. The Sens are already at the internal cap limit and still need to sign Cowen, their is no way they could afford to make this deal... if you believe their owner.

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