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08-26-2013, 12:07 PM
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Training camp invites to Raymond, Malhotra and Mueller? I'd be on board.

Even if Malhotra only suits up for half the games, he'd be a great mentor for someone like Lander.

Mueller wouldn't be happy with the third-line, though, let alone the fourth line. Kobasew would be more realistic, while Cleary would provide a good veteran influence for the team.
Right now, Mueller doesn't have an NHL contract. He can either ply his already injured frame in likely 3rd line minutes in the KHL or attempt to make a difficult decision for some club for 3rd line minutes.

Or, maybe he's waiting on the right decision. Who knows?

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08-26-2013, 12:22 PM
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If you're going to invite anyone as the Oilers, it's either a veteran without a contract, a Dan Cleary type, or a young player with something to prove, Peter Mueller type. Guys like Raymond will get jobs, I could see a one year deal with the Jets.

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08-26-2013, 12:32 PM
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The Oilers are already one of the softest teams in the league.

The last thing they need is a couple of incredibly inconsistent guys who completely avoid contact like Raymond or Mueller.

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08-26-2013, 12:53 PM
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I don't see any harm in signing Anthony Stewart to a two way deal and letting him compete for a bottom six spot. We could use his size.

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08-26-2013, 01:05 PM
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Okay MacT, please, to at least stir competition...

2) Invite 1 of the following to TC
Steckel
Halpern
Malhotra

Make Jones, Joensuu, Smyth, Lander etc. earn their spots.

I agree about earning their spots, but that group of three is not that great.

According to the Canucks, they're suggesting that Malholtra would be put into danger if he were to play on the ice because his vision is so bad.

I recall there was an interview on 1260 with a Toronto sports commentator, asked for his opinion on Steckel. The opinion was very very negative. No hockey sense, almost-nil offense - only good for faceoffs and nothing else.

Halpern is getting pretty old. Last year, he played in 46 games and scored 3 pts.

The guy I would bring in is Daniel Cleary. He's a little younger than Halpern - 34 years old, a playoff performer, and still scored 15 pts in 48 games last year. He can play on the PK, still brings some offense and might be a really good fit to a young team.

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08-26-2013, 01:45 PM
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I agree about earning their spots, but that group of three is not that great.

According to the Canucks, they're suggesting that Malholtra would be put into danger if he were to play on the ice because his vision is so bad.

I recall there was an interview on 1260 with a Toronto sports commentator, asked for his opinion on Steckel. The opinion was very very negative. No hockey sense, almost-nil offense - only good for faceoffs and nothing else.

Halpern is getting pretty old. Last year, he played in 46 games and scored 3 pts.

The guy I would bring in is Daniel Cleary. He's a little younger than Halpern - 34 years old, a playoff performer, and still scored 15 pts in 48 games last year. He can play on the PK, still brings some offense and might be a really good fit to a young team.
I'd sign Cleary quickly, I just included him on the potential invite list in case we don't have the cap room to make such a move and want to see him first.

I understand the group of C's there isn't great, but they are really only there to push Lander/Arcobello/Acton etc. You know Malhotra would give 110%, because he has a lot to prove, and even though he is a tad one dimensional, I personally wouldn't mind if we signed Steckel. Actually watching him, he wins face-offs and he can be physical, and yes he doesn't do much else, but for a 4th line C, that's kind of all we can expect. Halpern has been pretty reliable for a few years.

The point isn't really to have them win the job, but simply to push. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Reasoner gets an invite, but personally I think he downright sucks and wouldn't provide good enough competition.

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08-26-2013, 01:59 PM
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I don't get why Steckel is so stupid? Gets PK time everywhere he goes yet, Shannon is making talks about him like he's the dumbest guy in the NHL. I don't expect much out of my 4th line center, but if he can play big, wins draws and play on PK and take as many defensive zones faceoffs as he does I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Would it really be that bad to have him taking draws with Perron and Yak on his wings only to switch with Gagner as the play goes up the ice?

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08-26-2013, 02:20 PM
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Henrique gets $24M/6 years - $4M cap hit. Seems a bit risky to me for a player that racked up his points playing with Kovalchuk/Parise 2 years ago, and struggled this past season.

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08-26-2013, 02:28 PM
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Henrique gets $24M/6 years - $4M cap hit. Seems a bit risky to me for a player that racked up his points playing with Kovalchuk/Parise 2 years ago, and struggled this past season.
I didn't like it either, but that's the new NHL. Get paid early for doing very little.

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08-26-2013, 02:57 PM
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So the Devils now have Zajac locked up until 2021 with a $5.75 million cap hit and Henrique locked up until 2019 with a $4 million cap hit.

They had 36 points in 90 games combined last season. Even if they are good defensively I can't see the Devils getting far with those two players locked in as their top 6 centres for the next 6+ years.

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08-26-2013, 03:13 PM
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So the Devils now have Zajac locked up until 2021 with a $5.75 million cap hit and Henrique locked up until 2019 with a $4 million cap hit.

They had 36 points in 90 games combined last season. Even if they are good defensively I can't see the Devils getting far with those two players locked in as their top 6 centres for the next 6+ years.
At this point they should be happy that players are still signing to stay there.

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08-26-2013, 03:48 PM
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At this point they should be happy that players are still signing to stay there.
Not really. They're better off overpaying free agents on short term deals if they're going to be paying 4 million for a 3rd liner

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08-26-2013, 04:20 PM
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This is also based around your thought process that Taylor Hall is a 3rd line player, so it needs to be taken with a major grain of salt.
I'm sorry, you're right. Teams typically have 6 forwards playing 20+ min a night. I wish i was as brilliant as you.

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08-26-2013, 04:32 PM
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If you're going to invite anyone as the Oilers, it's either a veteran without a contract, a Dan Cleary type, or a young player with something to prove, Peter Mueller type. Guys like Raymond will get jobs, I could see a one year deal with the Jets.
Unless you move someone from our current team. We don't have enough cap space for Mueller, Raymond, Cleary, or anyone else have decent.

If we want a veteran camp invite, it'd be someone making about 1 million a season. So a guy like Smithson, Steckel, or Malhotra.

If a guy like Cleary would sign for 1 million a season, he'd be grabbed by a cup contending team before he'd sign in Edmonton.

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08-26-2013, 04:46 PM
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If we want a veteran camp invite, it'd be someone making about 1 million a season.
It would suck if we missed out on Cleary because someone like Smyth was clinging to a roster spot. Maybe N. Schultz could be moved, I guess Hemsky could still be moved as well. MacT has a little room to work with, if he wants to sign a guy like Cleary he could probably make it happen.

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It would suck if we missed out on Cleary because someone like Smyth was clinging to a roster spot. Maybe N. Schultz could be moved, I guess Hemsky could still be moved as well. MacT has a little room to work with, if he wants to sign a guy like Cleary he could probably make it happen.
What's the new deal with one-ways going to the AHL? How much cap hit do we take if Larsen and his 1.025 is sent to OKC?

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I didn't like it either, but that's the new NHL. Get paid early for doing very little.
And it's all Kevin Lowe's fault!

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What's the new deal with one-ways going to the AHL? How much cap hit do we take if Larsen and his 1.025 is sent to OKC?
Cap hit for one-way contract exceeds $925,000 and will count against the cap as a 'buried' contract at $100,000 while demoted.

Edit: That was according to Capgeeks salary cap calculator.


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08-26-2013, 05:05 PM
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The Oilers are already one of the softest teams in the league.

The last thing they need is a couple of incredibly inconsistent guys who completely avoid contact like Raymond or Mueller.
I'll take inconsistent and soft over face-smash-y and unable to play hockey any day.

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What's the new deal with one-ways going to the AHL? How much cap hit do we take if Larsen and his 1.025 is sent to OKC?
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Cap hit for one-way contract exceeds $925,000 and will count against the cap as a 'buried' contract at $100,000 while demoted.

Edit: That was according to Capgeeks salary cap calculator.
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BURIED CONTRACTS (Wade Redden Rule)
Money paid to players outside of the NHL counts against the cap.
A one-way contract counts against the cap as follows:
cap hit – [ minimum salary + $375,000 ]
Example: If Wade Redden plays in the minors in 2012-13, he counts as follows.
$6.5M – [ $525,000 + $375,000 ] = $5.6M
A two-way contract counts as follows:
minor-league salary – [ minimum salary + $375,000 ]
Example: Player A’s two-way contract pays $3M/$1M in 2012-13 and counts as follows in the minors.
$1M – [ $525,000 + $375,000 ] = $100,000
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MINIMUM NHL SALARY
2012-13: $525,000
2013-14: $550,000
$1.025M - [$550,000 + $375,000] = $100,000

So Larsen's contract would count $100,000 against the cap.

If a contract is $925,000 [$550,000 + $375,000] or less there would be no cap hit.


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I'm sorry, you're right. Teams typically have 6 forwards playing 20+ min a night. I wish i was as brilliant as you.
You actually said Taylor Hall was a 3rd line player?

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I'll take inconsistent and soft over face-smash-y and unable to play hockey any day.
I agree, and based on his comments, so does MacT

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I'm sorry, you're right. Teams typically have 6 forwards playing 20+ min a night. I wish i was as brilliant as you.
Teams don't typically have forwards like ours either

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He did indeed

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Henrique gets $24M/6 years - $4M cap hit. Seems a bit risky to me for a player that racked up his points playing with Kovalchuk/Parise 2 years ago, and struggled this past season.
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I didn't like it either, but that's the new NHL. Get paid early for doing very little.
Henrique's contract in real dollars year-by-year:
2013-14 $2 mil
2014-15 $3 mil
2015-16 $4 mil
2016-17 $4.5 mil
2017-18 $5 mil
2018-19 $5.5 mil

Do you still feel the same way about the cap hit? Don't forget that the cap is most likely to go up over the duration of the contract. I'm not really debating whether or not the cap hit is too high but sometimes with young players the real dollars show more the current situation of a player and what the team think the player's progression is going to be over the duration of the contract.

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So the Devils now have Zajac locked up until 2021 with a $5.75 million cap hit and Henrique locked up until 2019 with a $4 million cap hit.

They had 36 points in 90 games combined last season. Even if they are good defensively I can't see the Devils getting far with those two players locked in as their top 6 centres for the next 6+ years.
IMO Zajac and Henrique (who was injured to start the season) are part of the solution than the problem. It's the Devils lack of scoring wingers and better puck moving defensemen that hurt them the most. The team fell apart when Kovalchuk got hurt last season and it won't get that much better with Jagr and Clowe. They really need better wingers if they want any kind of offense.

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Henrique gets $24M/6 years - $4M cap hit. Seems a bit risky to me for a player that racked up his points playing with Kovalchuk/Parise 2 years ago, and struggled this past season.
Racked up points over a hot 30 games, and has struggled to produce regularly every since.

It's beyond risky IMO. It's likely to backfire just going by the history, the numbers and the pedigree of the player prior to arriving in the NHL.

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