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08-28-2013, 01:05 AM
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Having Smyth AND Cleary in the bottom 6 probably makes this the slowest bottom 6 left side in the entire league.

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I removed the bickering. Let's try to keep that out of the thread please.

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Having Smyth AND Cleary in the bottom 6 probably makes this the slowest bottom 6 left side in the entire league.
I have to agree. Cleary a few years ago would have been great. Now he is like Smyth and Morrow. He is a guy trading on previous accomplishments to try and stay in the league.


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08-28-2013, 08:47 AM
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What about this:

Cory Potter for Patrick Eaves (Or put together a better package for Abdelkader)

Ales Hemsky + 6th for Marcel Goc

Sign Dan Cleary

Hall - Gagner - Yakupov
Perron - RNH - Eberle
Cleary - Gordon - Eaves/Abdelkader
Jones - Goc - Jonesuu/Smyth/Omark/Brown/Eager

Smid - Petry
Ference - J. Schultz
N. Schultz - Belov/Grebs/Larsen

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Creates lots of competition for our bottom line and bottom pairing so that we have the best player we can playing.
Biggest problem is Hemsky's salary, I don't think Florida is desperate to take him at this point.

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I removed the bickering. Let's try to keep that out of the thread please.



I have to agree. Cleary a few years ago would have been great. Now he is like Smyth and Morrow. He is a guy trading on previous accomplishments to try and stay in the league.
As opposed to all the other guys that haven't proved themselves in the league and if they don't figure it out now they are never going to make it?

I for one think if Morrow or Cleary can be had for 1.5mil you have to go after them. You give them the benefit of the doubt that not playing during the lockout hurt them. What do you really have to lose? It's not like they are done as NHLers, both had stretches of real good hockey last year.

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As opposed to all the other guys that haven't proved themselves in the league and if they don't figure it out now they are never going to make it?

I for one think if Morrow or Cleary can be had for 1.5mil you have to go after them. You give them the benefit of the doubt that not playing during the lockout hurt them. What do you really have to lose? It's not like they are done as NHLers, both had stretches of real good hockey last year.
Too bad we signed Jones for 1.5 mil, I'd love to have seen that money go to Morrow or Cleary instead.

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As opposed to all the other guys that haven't proved themselves in the league and if they don't figure it out now they are never going to make it?

I for one think if Morrow or Cleary can be had for 1.5mil you have to go after them. You give them the benefit of the doubt that not playing during the lockout hurt them. What do you really have to lose? It's not like they are done as NHLers, both had stretches of real good hockey last year.
I would be fine with inviting either to camp to see if they have the legs to still play. I think signing either before we see what they can do is gambling with the small amounts of cap space and roster spots the Oilers have available.

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I would be fine with inviting either to camp to see if they have the legs to still play. I think signing either before we see what they can do is gambling with the small amounts of cap space and roster spots the Oilers have available.
Very true

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Too bad we signed Jones for 1.5 mil, I'd love to have seen that money go to Morrow or Cleary instead.
Why all the hate for Jones he was injured last year but two years before he was good

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I'd love to sign Cleary, he maybe nearing the end of his career, but he brings experience from a structured system and a history of winning. I must admit that I didn't pay much attention to him last season but I find it hard to believe that he's worse than Smyth at this point or even as bad as Smyth. Ideally I'd love to add Tootoo or Abdelkader, but Cleary would be a nice signing especially if it's on the cheap.

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As opposed to all the other guys that haven't proved themselves in the league and if they don't figure it out now they are never going to make it?

I for one think if Morrow or Cleary can be had for 1.5mil you have to go after them. You give them the benefit of the doubt that not playing during the lockout hurt them. What do you really have to lose? It's not like they are done as NHLers, both had stretches of real good hockey last year.
I would sign both for that kind of coin on the spot. 1 year deals, at worst it costs us $675K each to bury them in the minors if no one claims them on the way down.

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08-28-2013, 12:30 PM
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I find it hard to believe that there are no takers on Hemsky out there. I wonder if MacT is over valuing him or if he has changed his mind on moving him.

Ideally Edmonton would want to trade him for a 3rd line banger that is defensively sound but by the looks of things that is not going to happen.

I wonder what kind of offers MacT got if any, or if his plan is to hold onto him until the deadline than move him for picks/prospects...

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I find it hard to believe that there are no takers on Hemsky out there. I wonder if MacT is over valuing him or if he has changed his mind on moving him.

Ideally Edmonton would want to trade him for a 3rd line banger that is defensively sound but by the looks of things that is not going to happen.

I wonder what kind of offers MacT got if any, or if his plan is to hold onto him until the deadline than move him for picks/prospects...
If we ate 1/2 his salary I don't see how we couldn't move him TBH. I suppose that may not be an option that MacT has available, but Katz in the past hasn't been scared to buy guys out or bury them in the minors so who knows?

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08-28-2013, 01:03 PM
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If we ate 1/2 his salary I don't see how we couldn't move him TBH. I suppose that may not be an option that MacT has available, but Katz in the past hasn't been scared to buy guys out or bury them in the minors so who knows?
We don't have the ability to keep half his salary.

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We don't have the ability to keep half his salary.
Why not? IIRC you can retain up to 1/2 a players cap hit via trade.

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Why not? IIRC you can retain up to 1/2 a players cap hit via trade.
Aren't we tight against the cap?

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Aren't we tight against the cap?
Yes, so if we retain 1/2 his salary 1/2 would still be going out which means that we'd then have $2.5 million in cap space, or am I missing something?

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Aren't we tight against the cap?
We are within the cap with his whole salary right now, how would trading away half of it be bad?

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We don't have the ability to keep half his salary.
Sure we do. As long as the player replacing him is making less than $2.5M, it will still end up being cap savings.

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Yes, so if we retain 1/2 his salary 1/2 would still be going out which means that we'd then have $2.5 million in cap space, or am I missing something?
You're right, it CAN be done.

Doesn't mean it should be done.

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Why not? IIRC you can retain up to 1/2 a players cap hit via trade.
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Honestly though even at 2.5mil I dont' know how many teams would want him, Grabo squeaked out 3mil and even Jagr only went for 2mil base plus 2mil in bonuses.

Add to it I don't know that I want to pay the guy 2.5mil to play elsewhere. Rather keep him and let him either play well enough here to stick around/get traded or get injured.

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I could hear it all the way over here!

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Hemsky at 5 million is pretty much impossible to move. The Oilers would basically have to take back an equally large cap hit for another player in return... and likely one with injury issues as well... ie a Havlat type player and contract.

Honestly he should have been bought out with a compliance buy out and they'd have $5 million of instant flexibility for their roster. That likely buys 2 players (probably with some cap to spare) that are much more suited to a bottom 6 role.

Now they likely have to eat salary and cap space + get whatever some team is willing to throw away off their roster.

It's a much more limited market when you are trying to trade away a player with issues rather than starting with a clean slate with $5 million in hand to spend on whomever you like.

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Would anyone else move Hemsky for Upshall?
Sign Cleary if he would come here.

Hall. Gagner. Eberle
Perron. RNH. Yakupov
Cleary. Gordon. Upshall
Brown. Smyth. Jones

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Would anyone else move Hemsky for Upshall?
Sign Cleary if he would come here.

Hall. Gagner. Eberle
Perron. RNH. Yakupov
Cleary. Gordon. Upshall
Brown. Smyth. Jones
I would, too bad Florida wouldn't.

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