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09-02-2013, 11:51 AM
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I think this is a case of buying low. We could probably get him for a Snicker's bar.
I'd rather keep the Snicker's bar.

He's a headcase that is simply not worth it.

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09-02-2013, 01:29 PM
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I'd love to pick up Zherdev to play on the third line, a Zherdev-Gordon-Hemsky line could be very interesting.

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09-02-2013, 01:33 PM
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I'd love to pick up Zherdev to play on the third line, a Zherdev-Gordon-Hemsky line could be very interesting.
Gordon was brought in to be a defensive specialist; wouldn't having Zherdev and Hemsky on that line kind of nullify Gordon? He wouldn't be able to shut down lines on his own.

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09-02-2013, 01:44 PM
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I don't really understand everybody's fascination with surrounding Gordon with defensive liabilities. He isn't so amazing defensively that he can just make up for players like Zherdev. Create a true shut down line around him, not some makeshift third scoring line with no purpose.

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That Corey Crawford extension. Holy crap.

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09-02-2013, 01:56 PM
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Gordon was brought in to be a defensive specialist; wouldn't having Zherdev and Hemsky on that line kind of nullify Gordon? He wouldn't be able to shut down lines on his own.
Do you think Gordon would be better off playing on a line with Jones and Smyth? Gordon is a defensive specialist because he PK's and wins a lot of faceoffs and his defensive awareness is wonderful. Put him with two players who have great puck possession skills and that line will barely get scored on. Like they say, the best defence is a good offence and if Gordon stays up high in the offensive zone I don't see how that line will struggle.

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09-02-2013, 01:57 PM
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I don't really understand everybody's fascination with surrounding Gordon with defensive liabilities. He isn't so amazing defensively that he can just make up for players like Zherdev. Create a true shut down line around him, not some makeshift third scoring line with no purpose.
A true shutdown line requires players good enough to keep the puck hemmed in the other teams zone. You don't put offensively void players like Smyth on a line with Gordon because they will simply just be stuck in their own zone their entire shift.

I can guarantee a line of Zherdev-Gordon-Hemsky would put up a better +/- than a line of Smyth-Gordon-Jones or even Jones-Gordon-Hemsky.

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09-02-2013, 02:03 PM
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I think I would rather have players who are black holes offensively than defensively on a shut down line

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09-02-2013, 02:26 PM
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That Corey Crawford extension. Holy crap.
Wonder how Raanta feels about signing there now...

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Wonder how Raanta feels about signing there now...
Probably pretty good.

It's not going to be hard for him to make that signing look awful in a couple of years with some decent play from him.

My worry is what Devan Dubnyk thinks of that contract in the instance that he sets the world on fire...

I hate to say it, but I love the Leafs' goalie situation moving forward.

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09-02-2013, 03:42 PM
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Probably pretty good.

It's not going to be hard for him to make that signing look awful in a couple of years with some decent play from him.

My worry is what Devan Dubnyk thinks of that contract in the instance that he sets the world on fire...

I hate to say it, but I love the Leafs' goalie situation moving forward.
Reimer is an RFA after this year and Bernier the year after... I'm not so sure I'd be so enamoured with it.

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09-02-2013, 03:43 PM
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A true shutdown line requires players good enough to keep the puck hemmed in the other teams zone. You don't put offensively void players like Smyth on a line with Gordon because they will simply just be stuck in their own zone their entire shift.

I can guarantee a line of Zherdev-Gordon-Hemsky would put up a better +/- than a line of Smyth-Gordon-Jones or even Jones-Gordon-Hemsky.
A true shutdown line also requires players who don't rely on high-risk plays to be successful offensively. If you bring in Nik Zherdev and put him with a $5M Hemsky and our best defensive forward, I can guarantee you that you'll be disappointed with the end result.

The Smyth-Gordon-Jones line is guaranteed to get a look this year based on the fact that they're all players who can control the puck on the boards. Hemsky and Zherdev cannot.

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09-02-2013, 04:04 PM
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Do you think Gordon would be better off playing on a line with Jones and Smyth? Gordon is a defensive specialist because he PK's and wins a lot of faceoffs and his defensive awareness is wonderful. Put him with two players who have great puck possession skills and that line will barely get scored on. Like they say, the best defence is a good offence and if Gordon stays up high in the offensive zone I don't see how that line will struggle.
Hemsky and Zherdev have awful puck possession skills. They are both turnover machines and lazy in their own zone. Top 6 or bust for both of them. Zherdev has already busted. Hemsky is one injury away from being there as well.

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09-02-2013, 04:23 PM
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That Corey Crawford extension. Holy crap.
Ya, goalies are getting PAID lately

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09-02-2013, 04:29 PM
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Hemsky and Zherdev have awful puck possession skills. They are both turnover machines and lazy in their own zone. Top 6 or bust for both of them. Zherdev has already busted. Hemsky is one injury away from being there as well.
You should take a look at Hemsky and Zherdev's takeaways/giveaways. Hemsky had 17 giveaways and 16 takeaways in the 2012 season, I'm unsure how that makes him a turnover machine.

You should really try looking at statistics before claiming someone is something. Puck possession skill meaning what? We all know Hemsky can have the puck on a string and even holds onto it way too long sometimes, same goes for Zherdev. It's common knowledge that the more times you have the puck, you more chances you're going to give it away. Look at some of the best players in the game, they all typically have way more giveaways than other players.

A 3rd line of Zherdev-Gordon-Hemsky would be playing against other teams 3rd and 4th line and would pick them apart. Hemsky would dismantle 3rd pairings along with Zherdev. They don't have to worry about playing against other teams top lines because that is what RNH's line will be doing. It happened all last year.


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09-02-2013, 04:33 PM
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Probably pretty good.

It's not going to be hard for him to make that signing look awful in a couple of years with some decent play from him.

My worry is what Devan Dubnyk thinks of that contract in the instance that he sets the world on fire...

I hate to say it, but I love the Leafs' goalie situation moving forward.
Unless Dubnyk wins the cup and looks great doing it, I don't think we need to worry too much.

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09-02-2013, 04:53 PM
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I'd love to pick up Zherdev to play on the third line, a Zherdev-Gordon-Hemsky line could be very interesting.
If Medvedev's quote is accurate, then signing someone who is being put into compulsory Alcohol and Drug Addiction treatment would be a poor use of resources, and definitely wouldn't be wise with such a young, impressionable team.

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09-02-2013, 05:09 PM
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Hemsky and Zherdev have awful puck possession skills. They are both turnover machines and lazy in their own zone. Top 6 or bust for both of them. Zherdev has already busted. Hemsky is one injury away from being there as well.
Ales Hemsky does turn the puck over quite a bit... however it also means he must have possession an awful lot to be turning it over so much. Hemsky can handle and transport the puck at the NHL level, he can establish the opportunities to do so with his speed and hockey sense. The best players, even the best puck possession players, often turn the puck over the most because they get the puck and handle the puck the most.

I also don't see how it's fair to compare Hemsky to Zherdev. Hemsky cares, i can't see how anybody could think otherwise. He played through a broken foot that clearly limited his effectiveness, despite the Oilers having a poor chance at the playoffs. He's played top opponents for years and years and did whatever it took to win. Hell he was the best forward on a team that was one win away from the cup. Zherdev was something else, reportedly a bad teammate who often had subpar production for his talent and role, a true enigma. Hemsky was always a pretty consistent performer, he couldn't get to the next level but he was forced into a really tough role and still succeeded. His production wasn't elite, but very close to it before the shoulders: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/8/9/...ne-forward-NHL

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09-02-2013, 11:36 PM
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Hemsky and Zherdev are both above average defensively. They aren't black holes in their own zone and in terms of turnovers.

Saying that... obviously Zherdev has issues a mile long and sometimes personality traits and other off ice issues trumps raw talent.

Would a line of Zherdev-Gordon-Hemsky be interesting to watch? Probably. Would that line stay together all season and be productive without potential "chemistry" issues affecting the team? Probably not.

We already have Hemsky who just may have checked out mentally to some degree (similar to the Luongo situation)... the Oilers really don't need another player who is unsettled and in some turmoil.

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This is what we've come down to Zherdev?

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/201.../21017371.html

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This is what we've come down to Zherdev?

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/201.../21017371.html
Love the poll at the bottom of that page..

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How was your weekend in comparison to Zherdev's:

Amazing

About the same

Worse
hahahaha

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Love the poll at the bottom of that page..



hahahaha
I saw a poll, but never read it

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Gordon-Hemsky is going to be such a hilarious catastrophe by itself, but some of you actually want to add Zherdev to that?

Amazing.

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Gordon-Hemsky is going to be such a hilarious catastrophe by itself, but some of you actually want to add Zherdev to that?

Amazing.
Yeah, no kidding.

I see all this talk about rolling 3 scoring lines but when has that ever worked for the Oilers or most teams for that matter?
Gordon was brought in to be a shutdown center, not to be put on a line with skilled players who are average at best defensively. Gordon and Hemsky on the same line has disaster written all over it, just doesn't mix at all and Zherdev?
I see some posters also putting Omark in the top 6 and Perron in the bottom 6. I'm sure that Perron would be thrilled to play with grinders and Omark in the top 6? Yeah, maybe in OKC.

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Yeah, no kidding.

I see all this talk about rolling 3 scoring lines but when has that ever worked for the Oilers or most teams for that matter?
Gordon was brought in to be a shutdown center, not to be put on a line with skilled players who are average at best defensively. Gordon and Hemsky on the same line has disaster written all over it, just doesn't mix at all and Zherdev?
I see some posters also putting Omark in the top 6 and Perron in the bottom 6. I'm sure that Perron would be thrilled to play with grinders and Omark in the top 6? Yeah, maybe in OKC.
Really depends, sometimes the difference between the #6 forward on the team and the #7 is very minimal. If the Oilers were going to try 3 scoring lines I'm sure it would be very close in time.

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