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Bogeyman #1: Verizon won’t be anyone’s white knight. It’ll only come into Canada and charge high prices, like it does in the United States. “If Verizon enters the Canadian market, it will still have analyst expectations to meet, investors to answer to, and brand value to protect. Its actions will be driven by profitability, revenue growth and return on investment – not becoming Canada’s national discount brand,” Woodhead writes.

Reality check: No matter what happens, Verizon’s network and therefore its service won’t be as good as the Big Three’s for many years to come. Will the company charge Canadians the same amount for crappier service, and would Canadians put up with that? That’s mind-boggingly illogical. Also, the incumbents believe federal government ministers are sweet talking Verizon into coming to Canada. If that is indeed happening, wouldn’t one of the first things out of those politicians’ mouths be: “We want lower prices?!?” If it isn’t, then what the hell are they doing down there?

Bogeyman #2: Smaller regional carriers such as SaskTel and Videotron could get shut out of the auction by Verizon, thereby shafting residents in less-populated parts of the country. “The auction would become a battle of the deepest pockets with Verizon easily outbidding all new entrants and regional carriers for as much of the enormously important 700 MHz spectrum it can get, along with potentially shutting out one of the national carriers.”

Reality check: Clearly Mr. Woodhead remembers the 2008 spectrum auction, where Wind Mobile – backed by giant international wireless company Orascom – nailed down all the spectrum across every province. Oh no, wait a second… that didn’t happen. A lowly Canadian company, Videotron, did everything in its power to keep that big foreign devil out of Quebec, and outbid it at every turn. Regional players have every reason to blow the bank to keep Verizon out; the U.S. company, as Telus notes in Bogeyman #1, has to generate a reasonable return on investment. Either it cedes spectrum to those defensively bidding regional carriers or, if it does indeed blow the bank, it will most certainly roll out services in those regions in order to get some sort of return. Damn, there’s that pesky logic again.

Bogeyman #3: Bye-bye investment into rural communities, since Verizon will drive spectrum prices up in the regions. “This will unnecessarily suck money out of the industry that would otherwise go towards technology and infrastructure, particularly outside the biggest cities.”

Reality check: See the above reality check. And also, if competition increases in less-populated areas, you betcha investment will too (with apologies to Sarah Palin).

Bogeyman #4: Verizon is a U.S. company that hands its users’ information over to the U.S. government. “It’s [sic] entry into the Canadian market would require significant oversight by our government to protect the privacy of Canadians.”

Reality check: Holy crap, is he being serious? Pretty much every service that runs on cellphones, from email to Facebook to Twitter and so on, routes through the United States. Actual phone calls and text messages may be the least of privacy advocates’ concerns. Also, how about that LTE network that Huawei built for Telus? You know, the same company that both the United States and Australia banned from providing telecom equipment on concerns that it is spying for China? Even the government of Canada has those same worries.

The deadline for applying for the next spectrum auction – and therefore the de facto deadline on whether or not Verizon is coming or not – is fast approaching, on Sept. 17. Are there more whoppers coming from the incumbents between now and then? The only thing left, really, is the suggestion that Verizon will kill your puppy.

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08-09-2013, 12:03 PM
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Quit being so mean and unfair to those defenseless companies Sined.

God. It's not fair.

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Nice work Sined I have shared both links on twitter and FB.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/benjami...b_3726444.html

You can always count on Bell to be hypocrites as well as self-serving profiteering vultures.

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You inform us that, since Parliament granted Bell its charter in 1880, Bell has spent 133 years "investing in delivering world-class communications services to Canadians." An impressive track record!

You must, however, be aware that Bell's permission to operate in Canada was initially obtained by agents acting in the interest of the (American) National Bell Telephone Company and that, after securing a favourable charter, three top-level executives from National Bell were appointed to Bell Canada's board of directors (Babe, 1990, pg 68-69). Or how about how American Bell initially owned 50% of your company, only fully divesting its interest 43 years ago, in 1970 (Winseck, 1998, pg 119)?

Bell began its life in Canada as a branch plant of an American company; in a strange twist of fate, it's now a descendant of National Bell Telephone -- Verizon -- which is contemplating (re)entering the Canadian market. And they leveraged this relationship to get an early leg up on the competition -- using patents owned by its American parent, Bell quickly monopolized the market for Canadian telephone services, a monopoly it used to funnel profits back to the States. (Smythe, 1981, pg 141)

You suggest that "US giants don't need special help from the Canadian government," but that's exactly how Bell got to where it is today!

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08-10-2013, 12:05 AM
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Nice work Sined I have shared both links on twitter and FB.
Awesome, the more people are informed against this propaganda the better.

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I've heard the radio ads. Disgustingly self-serving garbage. I've bounced around a couple of thoughts on the matter. One, it's pretty bad that we have to hope for a company like Verizon to enter our market just to get our telecom pigs to behave a little better. Two, if Canadians don't support the smaller and newer firms with our business when we have the chance, then ultimately we've got nobody to blame for our rotten market but ourselves.
Well all the caps and contract limits coming in will make it pretty irrelevant which company your on other than coverage. The 'small' companies don't work and go bankrupt pretty fast:
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Mobilicity and the smaller players have cash flow issues, and have expressed concerns about securing enough funding to buy the new wireless airspace that they need to compete.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...-wireless.html

I still find it ironic people consider Wind Mobile a 'start-up' when it's owned by one of the largest telecom companies in the world...

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WE'VE MADE IT EASY FOR YOU.
Enough is enough. It’s time to take a stand. Tell your elected representative exactly how you feel.

Simply enter your postal code and select an issue to send a letter to your MP. We've started it for you. Feel free to change it as you see fit.

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Ensuring a level playing field for Canadian companies
Protecting Canadian jobs
Respecting Canadians' rights to privacy and security
Guaranteeing connectivity for rural and remote communities




So these are the ads they are running on websites. I love their questions, not loaded at all.

What a joke, they **** us and expect us to say thank you and protect them. Guess what, I dream of all 3 of you going bankrupt and dying a slow painful death.

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WE'VE MADE IT EASY FOR YOU.
Enough is enough. It’s time to take a stand. Tell your elected representative exactly how you feel.

Simply enter your postal code and select an issue to send a letter to your MP. We've started it for you. Feel free to change it as you see fit.

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I'm most concerned about
Ensuring a level playing field for Canadian companies
Protecting Canadian jobs
Respecting Canadians' rights to privacy and security
Guaranteeing connectivity for rural and remote communities




So these are the ads they are running on websites. I love their questions, not loaded at all.

What a joke, they **** us and expect us to say thank you and protect them. Guess what, I dream of all 3 of you going bankrupt and dying a slow painful death.
Love the remote and rural communities they suck with coverage. They have areas just outside London that are complete dead zones.

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When I go home to Vancouver Island, unless I am in Victoria, I can't use my phone anywhere on the Island with Rogers.

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The best case scenario to me would be that Verizon forces Bell/Rogers to create some promos (none of these companies are gonna give us fair prices let's be honest) and they will increase the development of our network in rural and urban areas. This will in the future lead to more companies like Virgin and even more Wind's coming in who are able to hop onto these networks at slightly lower prices.

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The gravy train has been going along enough in Canada for the telecommunications company... we are pretty much stuck in a rock and hard place with prices because there is no one to turn to.

Hopefully Verizion comes in gung-ho with cable/sattellite and not just cell phones... bring the ****ing calvary!!!

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"Fair for Canada" Ads by Rogers, Bell and TELUS - Debunked

Hi all,

This is really OT but yet really important for all Canadians to get the right information.
You might have heard or seen these ads talking about "Open and Fair" and "Leveling the playing field" for Canadian wireless competition.

For years, Canadians have been paying some of the highest wireless prices in the world and much of it has to do with the lack of competitors in the Canadian wireless industry as well as the "gentlemen's" agreement between the big 3 to keep pricing extremely similar.

In a nutshell, what the "Big 3" are afraid of is the rumours of Verizon wireless buying WIND Mobile and/or Mobilicity, to participate in the upcoming Canadian 700MHz spectrum auction. The reason they are afraid is that Verizon has an incredible amount of money to spend and can effectively buy a ton of spectrum at a discounted price which would effectively jump start Verizon's efforts in penetrating the Canadian market.

This has forced the Big Three to band together in the most explicit fashion ever seen to create these ads to convince people to complain to government to make it more difficult for Verizon to enter the Canadian market by making it an "Open Market" with no restrictions to the Big 3. This is incredibly ironic given that even before getting the "fairness" they want the playing field is already heavily tilted in their favor.

Here are some popular misconceptions debunked:

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Bogeyman #1: Verizon won’t be anyone’s white knight. It’ll only come into Canada and charge high prices, like it does in the United States. “If Verizon enters the Canadian market, it will still have analyst expectations to meet, investors to answer to, and brand value to protect. Its actions will be driven by profitability, revenue growth and return on investment – not becoming Canada’s national discount brand,” Woodhead writes.

Reality check: No matter what happens, Verizon’s network and therefore its service won’t be as good as the Big Three’s for many years to come. Will the company charge Canadians the same amount for crappier service, and would Canadians put up with that? That’s mind-boggingly illogical. Also, the incumbents believe federal government ministers are sweet talking Verizon into coming to Canada. If that is indeed happening, wouldn’t one of the first things out of those politicians’ mouths be: “We want lower prices?!?” If it isn’t, then what the hell are they doing down there?

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Bogeyman #2: Smaller regional carriers such as SaskTel and Videotron could get shut out of the auction by Verizon, thereby shafting residents in less-populated parts of the country. “The auction would become a battle of the deepest pockets with Verizon easily outbidding all new entrants and regional carriers for as much of the enormously important 700 MHz spectrum it can get, along with potentially shutting out one of the national carriers.”

Reality check: Clearly Mr. Woodhead remembers the 2008 spectrum auction, where Wind Mobile – backed by giant international wireless company Orascom – nailed down all the spectrum across every province. Oh no, wait a second… that didn’t happen. A lowly Canadian company, Videotron, did everything in its power to keep that big foreign devil out of Quebec, and outbid it at every turn. Regional players have every reason to blow the bank to keep Verizon out; the U.S. company, as Telus notes in Bogeyman #1, has to generate a reasonable return on investment. Either it cedes spectrum to those defensively bidding regional carriers or, if it does indeed blow the bank, it will most certainly roll out services in those regions in order to get some sort of return. Damn, there’s that pesky logic again.

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Bogeyman #3: Bye-bye investment into rural communities, since Verizon will drive spectrum prices up in the regions. “This will unnecessarily suck money out of the industry that would otherwise go towards technology and infrastructure, particularly outside the biggest cities.”

Reality check: See the above reality check. And also, if competition increases in less-populated areas, you betcha investment will too (with apologies to Sarah Palin).

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Bogeyman #4: Verizon is a U.S. company that hands its users’ information over to the U.S. government. “It’s [sic] entry into the Canadian market would require significant oversight by our government to protect the privacy of Canadians.”

Reality check: Holy crap, is he being serious? Pretty much every service that runs on cellphones, from email to Facebook to Twitter and so on, routes through the United States. Actual phone calls and text messages may be the least of privacy advocates’ concerns. Also, how about that LTE network that Huawei built for Telus? You know, the same company that both the United States and Australia banned from providing telecom equipment on concerns that it is spying for China? Even the government of Canada has those same worries.

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Bogeyman #5: Canada is a huge landmass with spaced out populace. It means it costs more.

Reality check: 90+% of the population lives on, at best, 20% of the land mass of Canada. Big Telecom's own lobby group, the CWTA, has noted that Canada has just 13,000 wireless towers, a small fraction of the 52,000 found in the UK, which is only 1/40th our size. Less towers == less installation costs + less maintenance

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The deadline for applying for the next spectrum auction – and therefore the de facto deadline on whether or not Verizon is coming or not – is fast approaching, on Sept. 17. Are there more whoppers coming from the incumbents between now and then? The only thing left, really, is the suggestion that Verizon will kill your puppy.

Check out these sites for more information:
http://four4canada.ca/

http://www.realfairforcanada.ca/


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Bell, Telus and Rogers have been colluding for years. I smirk every time that ad comes on the radio.

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So we want Verizon?

Let's bring in AT&T and Sprint too.

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The prices have to be much higher in Canada. The area the cover is as big as the USA with a tenth of the population.

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If these companies are so concerned, then perhaps they could merge into one entity and battle back. They're all in bed with each other anyways. When I see some competition between them and a reasonable cell phone plan, then I'll have some sympathy for them, but for now they can go **** themselves

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The prices have to be much higher in Canada. The area the cover is as big as the USA with a tenth of the population.
Their profits are huge. Lower prices and take in a little less profit. That would benefit all Canadians. That is what they want after all, isn't it?

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Their profits are huge. Lower prices and take in a little less profit. That would benefit all Canadians. That is what they want after all, isn't it?
Why would they take less profits?

We're in a capitalist society with the goal is to make as much money as we can.

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Ironic that the big three are the main cable and satellite providers as well, bring on the satellite companies as well. Tired of being screwed by Bell.

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Why would they take less profits?

We're in a capitalist society with the goal is to make as much money as we can.
That's why their little plea to the public about Verizon rings hollow. They just don't want to share the pie.

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That's why their little plea to the public about Verizon rings hollow. They just don't want to share the pie.
Oh I agree, their plea is ******** haha, they want to preserve their high profits.

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