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Roman Josi to Montreal.

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08-11-2013, 07:20 AM
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Josi plays top 4, mostly with Weber. He is top 3 on almost every team in the league. If you want Josi you have to overpay. Like I said Gally is the only real piece that Nashville will want, Habs won't give it up, /thread.
This is exactly how nashville feels.

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yep, Pacioretty seem about fair...
Just because its fair value doesn't mean it is going to happen. When you move a player you need to get rid of, you try to get "fair value"... but to coax a team to trade a player they really don't want or need to trade, you have to offer a substantial premium.

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08-11-2013, 09:24 AM
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Been thinking about it and I would like to offer one more trade.
To Nashville-Pacioretty,Gorges,Collberg
To Habs- Josi,Beck,1st

This will give us the "bergs" from the 2012 draft. Collberg,Forsberg,Aberg.

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08-11-2013, 09:27 AM
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Been thinking about it and I would like to offer one more trade.
To Nashville-Pacioretty,Gorges,Collberg
To Habs- Josi,Beck,1st

This will give us the "bergs" from the 2012 draft. Collberg,Forsberg,Aberg.
No from Montreal

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08-11-2013, 09:28 AM
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No from Montreal
No from Nashville too.

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08-11-2013, 11:03 AM
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Just because its fair value doesn't mean it is going to happen. When you move a player you need to get rid of, you try to get "fair value"... but to coax a team to trade a player they really don't want or need to trade, you have to offer a substantial premium.
yeah, value wise. I dont know NAS defensive (prospect+roster) situation enough to to defend that trade

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Been thinking about it and I would like to offer one more trade.
To Nashville-Pacioretty,Gorges,Collberg
To Habs- Josi,Beck,1st

This will give us the "bergs" from the 2012 draft. Collberg,Forsberg,Aberg.
Is Weber coming to the habs in that deal?

Josi would be good but certainly not at the expense of the habs best offensive prospect and their best winger. Give me a break.

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08-12-2013, 09:05 AM
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You'll have to pry him from my cold, dead fingers! Seriously in love with Josi; though I did just buy his jersey which is a guaranteed trade harbinger.../stares at Suter thirds jersey in closet.

The structure of the Josi contract is direct byproduct of Poile's confidence in his career trajectory. He will not be traded today and the only way I see him traded is in 2-3 years if he in underperforming significantly and a great opportunity arises (e.g. Erat for Forsberg).

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08-12-2013, 09:14 AM
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Been thinking about it and I would like to offer one more trade.
To Nashville-Pacioretty,Gorges,Collberg
To Habs- Josi,Beck,1st

This will give us the "bergs" from the 2012 draft. Collberg,Forsberg,Aberg.

Pacio > Josi
Collberg > beck
Gorges > late 1 round

Mtl would never do this

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08-12-2013, 09:19 AM
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If you want josi, think plekanec. Josi is signed for 7 years at an extremely reasonable contract. He is a top two defenseman. Just won player of the Spengler cup over guys like stamkos, giroux, etc. he is awesome and is also a huge bargain and is very young.

Poile hangs up the phone on pacioretty.
Done, sold !!!! When does his plane arrive ?

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08-12-2013, 10:00 AM
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Josi is already a top pairing defenseman and will just keep getting better. Add in that he's signed long term to a terrific contract...it would take Galchenyuk. I understand MTL fans wouldn't do it, but that's the value.

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08-12-2013, 10:52 AM
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No from Nashville too.
So you do not want a potential Vanek-Perry-Skinner line here in Nashville.
That is who scouts said the three "bergs" remind them of. Not to mention immediate scoring help in Pacioretty. Plus Gorges is not Josi but he is solid.

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08-12-2013, 11:30 AM
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A potential Vanek-Perry-Skinner line. By the way, that line would need a center.

There is no reason for us to give up Josi, a player we know can play top pairing minutes and will likely only grow, for a potential line of wingers. Likewise, there is no reason for Montreal to give up all of that for Josi and Beck.

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08-12-2013, 12:01 PM
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Pacio is far more proven then Josi ,
Collberg is a very good prospect , ok beck is good too but only played 16 game in the nhl so let say it equal
Gorges is defenetly more valuable then a late first round , in many other trade many fan agreed that gorges was worth around 10-13 overall in term of value , nyi fan were ready to give up 15 overall for him !!


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08-12-2013, 12:11 PM
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Pacio is far more proven then Josi ,
Collberg is a very good prospect , ok beck is good too but only played 16 game in the nhl so let say it equal
Gorges is defenetly more valuable then a late first round , in many other trade many fan agreed that gorges was worth around 10-13 overall in term of value , nyi fan were ready to give up 15 overall for him !!
Max Pacioretty is very good and pretty valuable but i would say a young potentiay top pairing D-man like Roman Josi is a bit more valuable. I would be ok with Pacioretty + Leblanc for Josi

Pacioretty <\= Josi

Collberg > Beck: Collberg has a lot more potential and Beck isnt much more proven.

Gorges =\> Late first: A late 1st is about his value but a team desperate for D or a cup dontender might give a bit more for him.

Value is more than fair but i understand why Nashville wouldnt do it. Josi is ireplaceable right now.


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08-12-2013, 12:17 PM
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I would say Josi is already a proven top pairing defenseman. He would have to regress quite a bit to be viewed as anything but, and his game has only grown since coming into the league.

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08-12-2013, 02:40 PM
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Max Pacioretty is very good and pretty valuable but i would say a young potentiay top pairing D-man like Roman Josi is a bit more valuable. I would be ok with Pacioretty + Leblanc for Josi

Pacioretty <\= Josi

Collberg > Beck: Collberg has a lot more potential and Beck isnt much more proven.

Gorges =\> Late first: A late 1st is about his value but a team desperate for D or a cup dontender might give a bit more for him.

Value is more than fair but i understand why Nashville wouldnt do it. Josi is ireplaceable right now.
and pacioretty's size and scoring sure is replaceable on the habs

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08-12-2013, 02:44 PM
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and pacioretty's size and scoring sure is replaceable on the habs
Not arguing but agreeing with you when I say this, just as much as Josi's ability to play top pairing minutes and be lefty. Lefty is important because Nashville has Bartley and Ekholm as the only other options that are left handed so I'd say both are important to the well being of their respective teams.

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Pacio is far more proven then Josi ,
Collberg is a very good prospect , ok beck is good too but only played 16 game in the nhl so let say it equal
Gorges is defenetly more valuable then a late first round , in many other trade many fan agreed that gorges was worth around 10-13 overall in term of value , nyi fan were ready to give up 15 overall for him !!


its not a matter of who is "proven" its a matter of how valuable Josi is to the Preds. His value to Nashville is such that even a "proven" player like Pacioretty isnt enough to make Poile want to move him...


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and pacioretty's size and scoring sure is replaceable on the habs
That isn't what the poster said. They simply said they understand why Nashville won't do it. It was not implied that Montreal would, or that if they did they could replace Patches.

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A potential Vanek-Perry-Skinner line. By the way, that line would need a center.

There is no reason for us to give up Josi, a player we know can play top pairing minutes and will likely only grow, for a potential line of wingers. Likewise, there is no reason for Montreal to give up all of that for Josi and Beck.
You seem to have missed something. I did not say we were getting a whole line of potential wingers. We already have two of them in Pontus Aberg and Filip Forsberg. If we added Sebastian Collberg we would have the top three Swedish forwards from that draft year.

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Pacioretty. Nashville needs scoring and Patches brings that to them.
That's something I might be OK with, if Nashville is down to send a 3rd round pick or something with Josi then I'd say yes. Patches is a lock for 60pts a year imo, and he can pot some goals too

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Nashville would want way more than Montreal would want to pay, Pacioretty for Josi doesn't really make any sense for either team, Pacioretty is one of Montreal's only big forwards, and has 40 goal potential IMO, and with Josi gone, Nashville doesn't have anyone to play with Weber.

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You seem to have missed something. I did not say we were getting a whole line of potential wingers. We already have two of them in Pontus Aberg and Filip Forsberg. If we added Sebastian Collberg we would have the top three Swedish forwards from that draft year.
Yes, I know, but in your proposal we have to give up Josi in order to complete that line. None of them play center.

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Yes, I know, but in your proposal we have to give up Josi in order to complete that line. None of them play center.
Forsberg was drafted as a center, wasn't he?

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Josi sure is starting to get hyped up...

Wouldn't swap a 30+ goals / 60+ points winger that still has room to grow for a top 4 defenseman, albeit young and promising...

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