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08-12-2013, 02:15 PM
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Melnyk Interview (Regarding Alfredsson and teams finances)

http://www.faceoff.com/entertainment/Daniel+Alfredsson+demands+cash+players+couldn+says +Senators/8771520/story.html

Alfredsson was plan A, Ryan was B
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Melnyk says he eventually told general manager Bryan Murray: “We won’t be able to spend that kind of money, so don’t promise that we’re going to bring anybody else in other than filling a hole that was there.”

"To come up with the kind of money they were talking about and being fiscally responsible and ensuring the ongoing success of the organization, we knew we needed to add a Bobby Ryan-type player," Melnyk explained. "And at the end, when I said blank cheque, that would have meant we would not have gotten the (Bobby Ryan-type player). Couldn’t afford it. Just couldn’t do it."

“We’re not the New York Rangers, we’re not the Toronto Maple Leafs, and I’m trying to keep ticket prices reasonable, because there’s a very delicate balance between ticket pricing, attendance and being able to put a competitive team (on the ice),” he said.

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Again, Sens fans should be praying that Melnyk will either find a partner, sell the team to a Pegula type owner, or get a really successful company.

This stuff doesn't hurt us much now, but it will next year when the cap rises dramatically and we have people to sign.

I'm scared.

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Same old double speak. Ticket price-player salaries is the oldest myth is sports. It has been debunked plenty of times.

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Yeah, ticket revenue is probably as close to a constant as you can get for a team like the Senators.

It's things like Sponsorship deals, TV deals, playoff performance that bring in a bunch more money...

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Yeah, ticket revenue is probably as close to a constant as you can get for a team like the Senators.

It's things like Sponsorship deals, TV deals, playoff performance that bring in a bunch more money...
In simple terms.

Ticket prices are dictated by demand for product

Player salaries represent a cost-to-owner

those two things aren't directly related.

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If it was really between Ryan and Alfie, I'm even happier it turned out the way it did. We're spending low this season, maybe Melnyk can make up for some of his losses and be able to spend a couple million more the year after. That's what I'm hoping for.

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In simple terms.

Ticket prices are dictated by demand for product

Player salaries represent a cost-to-owner

those two things aren't directly related.
That's fine... The concerning news here is that Melnyk has decided we are a cap floor team.

Canada's version of the Preds

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Maybe not cap floor yet, but with the amount of money that we are currently spending on players, that number will be UNDER the cap floor within a short amount of time (1 or 2 years).

Something needs to happen.

Things can't stay this way for more than this year. Something's got to give.

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That's fine... The concerning news here is that Melnyk has decided we are a cap floor team.

Canada's version of the Preds
Definitely,

But he's also starting that familiar conversation about having to raise ticket prices to get a better team. Our prices are about to go up, and its important that paying fan knows that no matter what Melnyk says: you will not be getting a better team with it. that relationship has been debunked plenty of times. Don't fall for the ********.


Remember that Bettman pulled that **** in the lockout of 05 to, saying that a reduction in player salaries would be passed on to the consumer via cheaper tickets.... DONT BELIEVE.

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Only way to turn it around is to start a donation box for Melnyk.

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Definitely,

But he's also starting that familiar conversation about having to raise ticket prices to get a better team. Our prices are about to go up, and its important that paying fan knows that no matter what Melnyk says: you will not be getting a better team with it. that relationship has been debunked plenty of times. Don't fall for the ********.


Remember that Bettman pulled that **** in the lockout of 05 to, saying that a reduction in player salaries would be passed on to the consumer via cheaper tickets.... DONT BELIEVE.
It's not just the relationship.

Obviously selling out @ $55.00 /ticket is going to give you more than selling out @ $55.00 /ticket.

That said an increase in avg. ticket price by $5 while still selling out only increases revenue by less than $4 000 000. Lets say three quarters of that goes into the team. That's only an extra ~$3 000 000. We need a lot more than that right now.

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The only option I see at this point that could make this team competitive is a Melnyk owned casino beside the CTC

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Yep... If Melnyk does not get more money expect to see talent leave Ottawa.

So many contracts up in the next two years... And without money will not be able to keep them all

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That's fine... The concerning news here is that Melnyk has decided we are a cap floor team.

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Well technically the floor is $44M so the Sens are more of a mid-point team for lack of a better term.

Also, this shouldn't be a new revelation since the Sens payroll has been at more or less this exact same level for the past 3 seasons. The cap was $6M higher last season than it was now and the Sens didn't appear to have a whole lot of issues competing with that payroll.

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I can't believe this is happening.

I need some kind of proof this is actually real life. I never thought this would happen to Melnyk.

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Well technically the floor is $44M so the Sens are more of a mid-point team for lack of a better term.
Only the Islanders have a lower payroll then Ottawa this up coming season.

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Yep... If Melnyk does not get more money expect to see talent leave Ottawa.

So many contracts up in the next two years... And without money will not be able to keep them all
Karlsson and Turris are locked up longterm. They're already paying Spezza and Ryan significant salaries, you can incorporate giving them raises with the money that you save from not bringing back Michalek who makes $6M this season.

You can also allow Phillips and his $3.25M to walk without it affecting your talent base and allocate that money elsewhere.

And at some point, Lehner will be succeeding Anderson so you can take that $3.5M salary off the books as well.

It's not as dire as some would make it out to be.

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So, MacArthur was plan B to Clarkson being plan A? In that case these were the possible outcomes:

Alfie/Ryan and Clarkson/MacArthur.

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The thing that absolutely astounds me is that some fans still somehow believe that a casino will increase the team's payroll. Melnyk clearly states that this is a business and he is not a philanthropist. Aside from rent to the arena, casino profits would go into his pockets, not the team's.

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Only the Islanders have a lower payroll then Ottawa this up coming season.
Ummm... I don't care? They still aren't a "floor" team. They're within 5-6 million of most of the rest of the teams, that doesn't really create any kind of significant competitive advantage.

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So, MacArthur was plan B to Clarkson being plan A? In that case these were the possible outcomes:

Alfie/Ryan and Clarkson/MacArthur.
The only reason McArthur was signed was because they didn't get Alfie back. The amount that they paid McArthur was around what they wanted to get Alfie back for.

This would allow them to make a big move like Clarkson/Ryan.

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Sens are screwed when the cap floor becomes 65mil in 3 years.

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Karlsson and Turris are locked up longterm. They're already paying Spezza and Ryan significant salaries, you can incorporate giving them raises with the money that you save from not bringing back Michalek who makes $6M this season.

You can also allow Phillips and his $3.25M to walk without it affecting your talent base and allocate that money elsewhere.

And at some point, Lehner will be succeeding Anderson so you can take that $3.5M salary off the books as well.

It's not as dire as some would make it out to be.
So our lack of money will cause us to lose Anderson and Phillips to re-sign our own guys?

A good year from Ryan and Spezza and they are looking for Getzlaf/Perry type contracts.

It's nice that we have a deep farm system because we will have to dip into it as secondary players become to expensive here and will walk

Sens will be like the 2000-2004 Sens... Good team but no money to put them over the top

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Ummm... I don't care? They still aren't a "floor" team. They're within 5-6 million of most of the rest of the teams, that doesn't really create any kind of significant competitive advantage.
Cap will be rising and Melnyk said the teams tapped out.

This is a cap floor team...

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Cap will be rising and Melnyk said the teams tapped out.

This is a cap floor team...
No, he's actually said the team will be neither a floor or cap team, they will be spending around the middle of that.

The team's revenues will increase this season as a result of not having to deal with a lockout so they will have a higher payroll next year, it just won't be at the cap.

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