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08-12-2013, 02:56 PM
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Sens are screwed when the cap floor becomes 65mil in 3 years.
But why are we screwed?

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08-12-2013, 02:59 PM
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No, he's actually said the team will be neither a floor or cap team, they will be spending around the middle of that.

The team's revenues will increase this season as a result of not having to deal with a lockout so they will have a higher payroll next year, it just won't be at the cap.
The article states Melnyk said 50 million is his ideal payroll

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So our lack of money will cause us to lose Anderson and Phillips to re-sign our own guys?

A good year from Ryan and Spezza and they are looking for Getzlaf/Perry type contracts.
The point was that simple hockey decisions, not financial ones will have the Sens say goodbye to players like Phillips and Anderson and not have their talent base depleted because they will have cheaper alternatives who will provide the same level of production. Which is a good thing.

And hopefully you realize that if Spezza and Ryan do end up getting Getzlaf/Perry contracts (a best case scenario for them), it doesn't end up being a ton more than what they are already making now which the Sens have incorporated into their existing payroll.

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But why are we screwed?
Sens are spending 50.8mil on salaries this season, with a 53.8mil total cap, and we cant afford to spend more.

Melnyk doesn't have the ability to even get to 5mil below that cap floor in 3 years.

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Sens will spend assets on UFA rentals tho

If Bryan Murray came to me and he said, You know, Eugene, if we can just get one more goal-scorer, or somebody that can play on our power play, if I can only get one guy and its going to cost us X for the balance of the year, because hes becoming a UFA anyway, we absolutely would.

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The article states Melnyk said 50 million is his ideal payroll
This year. As the team revenues increase, which they always do every season, so does the team's ability to spend. He just won't subsidize more spending just so they go to the cap.

He was interviewed at the City Council hearings for the casino and said that the Sens will continuously operate not as a cap team and not as a floor team, more or less right in the middle of those 2 numbers.

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I really wish he would just give up the team. I'm sure there are other buyers willing to take over the team. He clearly isn't fit to be an owner of a hockey team anymore.

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This year. As the team revenues increase, which they always do every season, so does the team's ability to spend. He just won't subsidize more spending just so they go to the cap.

He was interviewed at the City Council hearings for the casino and said that the Sens will continuously operate not as a cap team and not as a floor team, more or less right in the middle of those 2 numbers.
Well I guess we will see who is right based on what the team spends.

The proof is in the numbers...

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Sens are spending 50.8mil on salaries this season, with a 53.8mil total cap, and we cant afford to spend more.

Melnyk doesn't have the ability to even get to 5mil below that cap floor in 3 years.
Why will this matter? Money will be spent, whether Melnyk bleeds money or not.

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Well I guess we will see who is right based on what the team spends.

The proof is in the numbers...
We certainly will. But you won't be able to call the Sens a "floor" team until they are actually at the floor.

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Influx of cash from people looking to replace their Alfredsson jerseys perhaps?

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We certainly will. But you won't be able to call the Sens a "floor" team until they are actually at the floor.
They are at the floor of NHL spending right now... 28 teams have a higher payroll

When they are at least 24th ill stop calling them a floor team

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http://www.faceoff.com/entertainment/Daniel+Alfredsson+demands+cash+players+couldn+says +Senators/8771520/story.html

Alfredsson was plan A, Ryan was B
I think a good nickname has emerged - Bobby "Plan B" Ryan

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So many RFAs and UFAs with in the next two years and many of them will be demanding raises. Hopefully Melnyk finds money somewhere.

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Even if he does decide to keep spending in the middle as the cap rises, players are gonna be less likely to sign here when they know that the Sens will not spend to the cap to try and go for it. Spezza and Ryan are done in two years and then what? It's not just a matter of getting the money they want, but also being on a team that's willing to keep up with the rest of the league (by spending the money). They're gonna be UFA so the Sens really have no leverage. There will be some other team who is willing to pay them what they want and spend the money to build a team. Having the 2nd lowest payroll when we're not really a rebuilding team anymore is pretty bad.

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Why will this matter? Money will be spent, whether Melnyk bleeds money or not.
Sorry im not looking forward to the Sens losing money yearly?

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Even if he does decide to keep spending in the middle as the cap rises, players are gonna be less likely to sign here when they know that the Sens will not spend to the cap to try and go for it. Spezza and Ryan are done in two years and then what? It's not just a matter of getting the money they want, but also being on a team that's willing to keep up with the rest of the league (by spending the money). They're gonna be UFA so the Sens really have no leverage. There will be some other team who is willing to pay them what they want and spend the money to build a team. Having the 2nd lowest payroll when we're not really a rebuilding team anymore is pretty bad.
This is my biggest worry... Why would Spezza and Ryan stay if we are not a cap team and among the lowest payroll teams in the league.

Get paid and go to a cap team sounds a lot better then stay in Ottawa

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Well the Sens have never been big spenders in their history (except about 4 years ago), and I didn't see players leave because of it. We always kept our biggest boys.

The cap floor is only an issue if it stops us from icing a good team. Don't spend excess money during free agency.

The best this year would have been Alfie + Ryan + Gonchar, so it is an issue, too bad : (.

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Well the Sens have never been big spenders in their history (except about 4 years ago), and I didn't see players leave because of it. We always kept our biggest boys.
UFA used to be 31 years of age

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So, MacArthur was plan B to Clarkson being plan A? In that case these were the possible outcomes:

Alfie/Ryan and Clarkson/MacArthur.
I knew it YES I WAS RIGHT lol

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They are at the floor of NHL spending right now... 28 teams have a higher payroll

When they are at least 24th ill stop calling them a floor team
well that's not quite right either.
At what percentage of the difference between floor and cap would you say
"someone is spending to the cap" =
"someone is spending to the floor" =

cap = 64.3 million
floor = 44 million

seems at 54 million, with still needing to sign cowen we are not either a cap nor floor team, but a middling team :O

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well that's not quite right either.
At what percentage of the difference between floor and cap would you say
"someone is spending to the cap" =
"someone is spending to the floor" =

cap = 64.3 million
floor = 44 million

seems at 54 million, with still needing to sign cowen we are not either a cap nor floor team, but a middling team :O
30 teams in the league
Sens are 29th in spending

29th = middle?

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This gets tricky when were on a budget as low as we are.

Scenario 1:

We do well the next season or two, Spezza/Ryan's (or Spezza's might stay constant) value go up, other RFAs get more value. We do well by virtue of our players doing well, thus raises. Many would argue that in this case we would need to spend to add a player or two to get us over the hump and into the upper echelon.

Scenario 2:

We do poorly for whatever reason. Because the team isn't doing well, we need to spend MORE money on Spezza and Ryan in order to keep them on the team that isn't doing well. We would also need to spend more on upgrades to get back to being competitive.

Either scenario comes out to the same. You need to spend more money to stay competitive. If we don't spend money, we lose our players. Other than getting paid, the other incentive to play hockey is to win the cup. It's that simple. Remaining 28th in the league in payroll just won't do.

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The floor is just an arbitrarily decided number, it's more important to compare to other teams as opposed to the floor (like we're 28th once we sign Cowen).

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well that's not quite right either.
At what percentage of the difference between floor and cap would you say
"someone is spending to the cap" =
"someone is spending to the floor" =

cap = 64.3 million
floor = 44 million

seems at 54 million, with still needing to sign cowen we are not either a cap nor floor team, but a middling team :O
The problem is with the wording. You are correct we are not a cap floor team, and we may not be one in the future. But we are on the bottom of the list of team expenditure. So if you don't want to call them a "floor" team, but a "bottom" team relative to what everyone one else is spending, you are both correct.

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