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09-24-2013, 01:40 PM
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That what Avs offered is a better comparable for Stepan than what Calgary offered in an offer sheet.

Stepan asking for $3.5M/year over two years seems fully reasonable seeing as Avs had no problem offering O'Reilly that salary. O'Reilly is a closer comparison to Stepan than Couture and Kadri is.
But he didn't sign for that amount, so it's a moot point. Stepan's agent can't use it as a comparable.

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09-24-2013, 01:42 PM
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The waiver rule only applied to O'Reilly because he played in Russia after the season started. So long as Stepan does not play overseas, he can sign an offer sheet without needing to clear waivers.
I'm well aware of that. I was just pointing out that Stepan's contract isn't going to be based on ROR getting 5 mil on an offer sheet unless Stepan gets an offer sheet of his own. The only reason ROR got that offer sheet is because the people involved didn't know the rules.

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09-24-2013, 01:43 PM
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If he holds out for 66 days he can kiss Team USA goodbye, and that's something he really wants.

edit: Also, if he held out for that long he wouldn't be able to play in the league this year.
I understand, just saying that the amount of money he'll lose holding out will likely be < the larger 2 year deal he's looking for.

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09-24-2013, 01:44 PM
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The guy led his team in scoring last season and was also one of the team's top penalty killers. That was following up on his 51 point sophomore season. He is asking for the same money that Kyle Turris, who has never scored 50 points, is getting. And David Desharnais. And Matt Stajan. All players that Stepan has indeed proven to be better than.
Cool. And he's not better than McDonagh. There's a reason he is only requesting 3.5M and not 5+M.

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The guy led his team in scoring last season and was also one of the team's top penalty killers. That was following up on his 51 point sophomore season. He is asking for the same money that Kyle Turris, who has never scored 50 points, is getting. And David Desharnais. And Matt Stajan. All players that Stepan has indeed proven to be better than.
None of those are comparable players. For Turris, it was his 3rd contract. He was arbitration eligible. Ottowa gave him 3.5 for 5 years, not 2 years. Big difference. His contract includes 3 UFA years and his average salary over the next 2 years is only 3 mil. Desharnais is on his 4th contract and he signed a 4 year deal which includes 3 UFA years. Stajan signed his contract as a UFA. 4 UFA years.

It doesn't matter that Stepan is better than those players. They aren't comparable. Should we give Stepan 7 mil per year because he's better than Brad Richards?

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I haven't been following this situation that closely so sorry if this has been discussed, but couldn't Stepan have filed for arbitration and avoided all this?

I know there's a deadline for it that's long since passed, but it seems foolish of a young RFA not to file. It's basically their only leverage.

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I haven't been following this situation that closely so sorry if this has been discussed, but couldn't Stepan have filed for arbitration and avoided all this?

I know there's a deadline for it that's long since passed, but it seems foolish of a young RFA not to file. It's basically their only leverage.
He does not have arbitration rights.

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I haven't been following this situation that closely so sorry if this has been discussed, but couldn't Stepan have filed for arbitration and avoided all this?

I know there's a deadline for it that's long since passed, but it seems foolish of a young RFA not to file. It's basically their only leverage.
Nope. He was not eligible

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Nope. He was not eligible
Ah. ok. Thanks.

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After hearing Sathers comments I would looooove for ANY team to offer sheet Stepan at $15Million over 3 years. Would royally screw over Glen Sather, and the team would forfeit a 1st and 3rd for a 23 year old Number one center who is doing nothing but get better every year. C'mon Burkie/Feaster

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After hearing Sathers comments I would looooove for ANY team to offer sheet Stepan at $15Million over 3 years. Would royally screw over Glen Sather, and the team would forfeit a 1st and 3rd for a 23 year old Number one center who is doing nothing but get better every year. C'mon Burkie/Feaster
We'll gladly take Calgary's 1st and 3rd and just replace him next year with Reinhart.

It's moot anyway. Burke is not offer-sheeting his buddy Sather's player.

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After hearing Sathers comments I would looooove for ANY team to offer sheet Stepan at $15Million over 3 years. Would royally screw over Glen Sather, and the team would forfeit a 1st and 3rd for a 23 year old Number one center who is doing nothing but get better every year. C'mon Burkie/Feaster
We would match it.

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The only reason Duchene signed for $3.5M/year (or a bridge deal to start with) is that he came off an injury riddled 28P in 58G season. Stepan is coming into this negotiations after a very strong season.

I don't think Duchene is a particularly useful comparable if you want to keep Stepans salary down.
Fine, then we can use Kadri who is coming off a career year and got even less.

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09-24-2013, 07:15 PM
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Most guys as established as Stepan (Very effective for over 2 years while on Rookie contract) get more than 3 million and don't sign Bridge contracts.

See Eberle, Skinner and Giroux

Bridge contracts are usually for those who have simply had one good year. I'm sure there are exceptions but few and far in between.

That said, I really don't see how 2 years at 3.5 per year is remotely unreasonable to ask for.

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As an Oilers fan... would gladly OS Stepan at $6M/5 years... and not just because of injuries right now... yeah it is lots of money and means we give up 1st 2nd 3rd (would need to get our 2nd back from STL) but we have drafted high enough... time to go for right-now players

This team needs depth bad down the middle... Stepan RNH Gags Gordon would be solid group

-Martin Marincin to STL (6'4 LD who gives them even more depth) for 2nd '14
-Nick Schultz to COL for J.T. Wyman
-Ryan Jones waived
-1st 2nd 3rd to NYR via OS for Stepan

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$200K capspace

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Franson (RFA rights) + Colbourne + 1st Round 2014

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Franson (RFA rights) + Colbourne + 1st Round 2014

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As an Oilers fan... would gladly OS Stepan at $6M/5 years... and not just because of injuries right now... yeah it is lots of money and means we give up 1st 2nd 3rd (would need to get our 2nd back from STL) but we have drafted high enough... time to go for right-now players

This team needs depth bad down the middle... Stepan RNH Gags Gordon would be solid group

-Martin Marincin to STL (6'4 LD who gives them even more depth) for 2nd '14
-Nick Schultz to COL for J.T. Wyman
-Ryan Jones waived
-1st 2nd 3rd to NYR via OS for Stepan

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Stepan-Hemsky
Joensuu-Gagner-Yakupov
Smyth-Gordon-Brown
MacIntyre Wyman

Smid-Petry
Ference-J. Schultz
Grebeshkov/Larsen-Belov
Potter

$200K capspace
Does that leave enough cap room for RNH's extension kicking in and signing Justin Schultz next off-season?

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Most guys as established as Stepan (Very effective for over 2 years while on Rookie contract) get more than 3 million and don't sign Bridge contracts.

See Eberle, Skinner and Giroux

Bridge contracts are usually for those who have simply had one good year. I'm sure there are exceptions but few and far in between.

That said, I really don't see how 2 years at 3.5 per year is remotely unreasonable to ask for.
Except Giroux signed a 3 year, 11.25M bridge contract a month into the 2010-2011 season, his breakout year. At his 3.75M cap hit this year, he's one of the best values in the league.

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Franson (RFA rights) + Colbourne + 1st Round 2014

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For the Leafs to get Stepan, Kadri would be an absolute prerequisite.

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Does that leave enough cap room for RNH's extension kicking in and signing Justin Schultz next off-season?
Well Hemsky, N. Schultz and Smyth are notables that come off the books after this season

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No way Mac-T would do that to Slats.

Is Stralman worth his 1.7M? Much better than Potter?

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Well Hemsky, N. Schultz and Smyth are notables that come off the books after this season
Also the cap is projected to jump over 70mill again so it'd be fine

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No way Mac-T would do that to Slats.

Is Stralman worth his 1.7M? Much better than Potter?
Stralman is so much better than Potter that if they were standing in the same room Potter would literally not be able to see him.

Stralman at 1.7 is one of the best values in the league.

Basically, Stralman is awesome and not going anywhere.

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