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11-09-2013, 11:38 AM
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Curious about the MTL situation...

Ok, so if there's a thread like this please remove it (mods).

Since I live in Sweden I do not have time to watch a lot of games.

I just want to know where this team is failing? I've seen statistics, and it doesn't really tell me much. Is our defense the turd here or are we not producing enough? perhaps both?

I've seen the Subban ice time threads and DD playing bad threads as well, but I do not think those individuals and their ice time matters that much on the team as a whole, right?

But if someone could give me some better explanation I'd love to hear it. I'm sorry if this thread is repeating stuff that's been said/asked already, but as I said I haven't got to see that many games this season sadly so please bear with me

Thank you! Go Habs go!!

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11-09-2013, 11:40 AM
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Our offense has been pretty bad in our bad stretch, but our transition out of our zone hasn't been great either.

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Our offense has been pretty bad in our bad stretch, but our transition out of our zone hasn't been great either.
I think what we seen happen is when we had a lot of key injuries Therrien changed the philosophy of our game a little bit to tighten up.. Now that we're getting healthier I guess it's a little hard transitioning (irony) back to a more offensive minded game.

I also did just a little bit of number adding and I know the sample is small but Prust seems to be a key injury to us when he's out. (Didn't factor OT losses just straight win/loss) He really balances out the lines well no matter where he is in lineup.

With him in lineup we're 28-18 and without were 11-10 (more towards a .500)

I think once we get back into a transition game and force turn overs we'll start to see a few win streaks again.

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11-09-2013, 11:55 AM
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Being so small limits the styles of play and systems the coaching staff can use.

imo Gionta and Plekanec slowing down with age, Galchenyuk and Eller not being ready to be top tier first line players, Desharnais being useless since he signed his contract, and the Briere signing addiding nothing (so far, we should have chosen Jagr, Vinny or Ignla) have all led to the offense being unimpressive.

On defence, we're too small. Too many goals from shots from the point that Carey can't see because the defense can't clear the front of the net. One of Gorges or Diaz have to go if we re-sign Markov and Subban. (Markov-Subban-Emelin-Tinordi-Gorges/Diaz-another big dman).

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11-09-2013, 12:05 PM
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Ok, so if there's a thread like this please remove it (mods).

Since I live in Sweden I do not have time to watch a lot of games.

I just want to know where this team is failing? I've seen statistics, and it doesn't really tell me much. Is our defense the turd here or are we not producing enough? perhaps both?

I've seen the Subban ice time threads and DD playing bad threads as well, but I do not think those individuals and their ice time matters that much on the team as a whole, right?

But if someone could give me some better explanation I'd love to hear it. I'm sorry if this thread is repeating stuff that's been said/asked already, but as I said I haven't got to see that many games this season sadly so please bear with me

Thank you! Go Habs go!!
all offense is seriously generated by Subbanator and General Markov... the rest depends on wich line is hot, cause NONE of our lines can be considered as a consitent producer. none. we basically dont have a true 1st line... heck we dont even have a true 1st line player yet... sad but i truly believe that.
Pacioretty maybe but even him is pretty inconsistent, he will get 3-4 time a year were he scores in bunches (assits too) then will fade away for some time. we lack offensive chemistry but specially one big player like subban in offense so we can spread the danger in all zones. if the opponent can manage subban and markov they are most likely going to win.


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11-09-2013, 12:08 PM
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We are playing at the abilities of our roster. This isn't a great team, our record is a reflection of the talent on this team.

Oh, and Therrien is a terrible coach.

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11-09-2013, 12:12 PM
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Appart from Bouillon our defence hasn't been the problem, the forwards can't score, a bit like NY. We haven't been playing that bad, but some forwards are having a very slow start.

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Terrible defense and injuries up front.

But really, especially terrible defense with no one except Subban being able to get the puck out of the zone. But we knew it from the start that it would happen.

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11-09-2013, 12:17 PM
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This was mentioned last game on CBC. It seems like we can't get any lines going at once. It's either the EGG line or the Pleks line but they don't score at once. We basically only get offense from those 2 lines. Last year we were able to count on offense from at least 3 lines.

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We have the worst 4th line in the league.

4th line on the ice = automatic goal against

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Thanks for all the answers Do you guys think last season was a fluke? I don't think anyone thought we'd go far in playoffs, considering we're quite inexperienced there. But I think we played great in the season overall.

Do you think a minor "rebuild" is needed? getting young guns instead of Gionta etc?

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I think what we seen happen is when we had a lot of key injuries Therrien changed the philosophy of our game a little bit to tighten up.. Now that we're getting healthier I guess it's a little hard transitioning (irony) back to a more offensive minded game.

I also did just a little bit of number adding and I know the sample is small but Prust seems to be a key injury to us when he's out. (Didn't factor OT losses just straight win/loss) He really balances out the lines well no matter where he is in lineup.

With him in lineup we're 28-18 and without were 11-10 (more towards a .500)

I think once we get back into a transition game and force turn overs we'll start to see a few win streaks again.
Dis is a good post

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11-09-2013, 12:40 PM
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Truth is we've had a rough schedule lately too and that hasn't helped. Blues and Sharks made us look really bad. I expect that we'll start winning some games again soon but it's very clear we're not a top team (if that wasn't already clear before the year started.)

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Ok, so if there's a thread like this please remove it (mods).

Since I live in Sweden I do not have time to watch a lot of games.

I just want to know where this team is failing? I've seen statistics, and it doesn't really tell me much. Is our defense the turd here or are we not producing enough? perhaps both?

I've seen the Subban ice time threads and DD playing bad threads as well, but I do not think those individuals and their ice time matters that much on the team as a whole, right?

But if someone could give me some better explanation I'd love to hear it. I'm sorry if this thread is repeating stuff that's been said/asked already, but as I said I haven't got to see that many games this season sadly so please bear with me

Thank you! Go Habs go!!
IMHO right now the root of the problem is that half of our top-nine forwards are under six foot and several are under 5'8" -- which is a ridiculous midget ratio for the NHL. This limits the style-of-play options for a coach who is not strategically brilliant to begin with.

We're getting better though don't give up!

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We have the worst 4th line in the league.

4th line on the ice = automatic goal against
When Parros is in the linuep. Otherwise it's fine.

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If you stop the Eller line, you beat the Habs because the veterans can no longer get it done with the exception of maybe Plekanec. Habs are so badly assembled.
On D, you have two top pairing D and the rest are about 5-6 level with the exception of Emelin.
Even with new coaches, new GM, the theme remains the same. Illogical signings, continue staying small and soft. The tough guy they brought in cannot safely play a shift.
With the exception of about 8 youngsters, this team needs an overhaul!

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I think the problem is pleks. He doesn't pass the puck. Oh sure he shoots it right at the goalies chest from the top of the circle every rush he gets, but seriously the guy rarely passes the puck. I have now noticed that Gionta does the same. Since he isn't getting passes, he now elects to shoot. The line has become very selfish with bournival stuck in the middle(or wing rather) but our other line isn't doing much. The forth line has done its job and when prust and moen are playing together with white they actually produce a lot of offence, and draw penalties something that people forget.

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When Parros is in the linuep. Otherwise it's fine.
More than fine, before the injuries, we probably had one of the better 4th lines in the league. Having both Moen and Prust on there is a luxury most teams can't boast. White between them is no slouch either, but he's looked less than fantastic with the anchors on his line, lately.

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I've never liked White at center. He's great on draws, so having him take the draws makes sense. But he doesn't have enough skills with the puck to start a rush and maintain pressure in the O-zone. When he's center, the puck is always in our own zone. I'm hoping Prust or Desharnais or Briere win the job. Bournival should be in the top 9. But if he gets bumped out, I'd also prefer him at center over White.

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In my personal opinion bad coaching due to poor player utilization.

1) Subban should play equivalent or more minutes to Markov, he thrives playing as a #1. Therrien is just lucky Markov has been so good, we'd be in last place had he not been.

2) Giving Desharnais, Bouillon, Parros, and any other defensive liability ice time, especially late in a game.

We could be doing better with better coaching.

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Doing everything bad ATM.

Coaching, offense, defense, transition etc...

Feels like 2012

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Terrible defense and injuries up front.

But really, especially terrible defense with no one except Subban being able to get the puck out of the zone. But we knew it from the start that it would happen.
We aren't seeing the same game then, Subban has been pretty terrible in his zone lately.

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Aside from a terrible 4th line, our offense vanished.

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No offense coming from anyone that isn't Markov or Subban on a consistent basis.

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IMHO right now the root of the problem is that half of our top-nine forwards are under six foot and several are under 5'8" -- which is a ridiculous midget ratio for the NHL. This limits the style-of-play options for a coach who is not strategically brilliant to begin with.

We're getting better though don't give up!
This is the main problem.you don't win playing a perimeter game.....no one goes to the net except Gallagher.

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