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11-03-2013, 03:30 PM
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London wins 6-2. Mac with nothing. Not even a +1.

At this point I'd settle for him becoming the next Tomas Kopecky.

Hudon and Gregoire with an assist each in the 1st.

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11-03-2013, 03:34 PM
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Now Grégoire scores.

Should have been the 1st rounder.

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11-03-2013, 03:38 PM
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McCarron was terrific in the first period. Then completely anemic for the final two periods. Ended up a line with the goon Paxton Leroux. Didn't play physical at all today either. One of his worst performances of the season.

Gregoire extends his point streak to 13 games. He's got 10 goals and 11 assists in that span. His was goal a beauty as he started a give and go play and went straight to the net. He deflected the pass over the goaltender's shoulder and in.

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11-03-2013, 03:42 PM
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Dalton Thrower has a 7 game point streak. 6G 10A in 15 games. Seems to have regained what he had during his draft year.

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11-03-2013, 04:04 PM
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London wins 6-2. Mac with nothing. Not even a +1.

At this point I'd settle for him becoming the next Tomas Kopecky.
I hope McCarron doesn't throw the towel in as easily as you do... gotta be a new record

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11-03-2013, 05:00 PM
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I hope McCarron doesn't throw the towel in as easily as you do... gotta be a new record
A 6'5 240 pound first rounder who skates well should be putting up much better numbers don't you think?

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11-03-2013, 05:13 PM
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Big Mike McCarron playing injured: "1st degree AC joint separation in shoulder" #Knights #OHL #Habs

https://twitter.com/KnightsInsider/s...96527154757634

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Big Mike McCarron playing injured: "1st degree AC joint separation in shoulder" #Knights #OHL #Habs

https://twitter.com/KnightsInsider/s...96527154757634
He should sit.

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11-03-2013, 05:35 PM
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Big Mike McCarron playing injured: "1st degree AC joint separation in shoulder" #Knights #OHL #Habs

https://twitter.com/KnightsInsider/s...96527154757634
hopefully he takes a few games off to recover. No point in having him play 4th line minutes and risking the injury geting worse.

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11-03-2013, 05:55 PM
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London wins 6-2. Mac with nothing. Not even a +1.

At this point I'd settle for him becoming the next Tomas Kopecky.

Hudon and Gregoire with an assist each in the 1st.
Were you also this annoyingly impatient before Eller and Pacioretty improved?

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11-03-2013, 06:49 PM
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11-03-2013, 06:56 PM
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Were you also this annoyingly impatient before Eller and Pacioretty improved?
Not at all. They had good pedigrees with legit numbers at very young ages in quality leagues such as the SEL, NCAA and the AHL. It was pretty obvious the talent was there in both cases. Max just needed to find his offensive confidence again in the AHL and Eller needed to add some meat to his bones, have some stability with his position and have consistent linemates who could produce.

Like I've written...find examples of guys who produced a 0.7 PPG or less in the CHL at age 18 and went on to produce like a top 6 forward in the NHL after that. I am pretty sure it's a very short list. And when I wrote Kopecky, I meant the Kopecky of 2009-2012, who was a valuable bottom 6 guy. Not the guy who looks washed up this season.

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11-03-2013, 07:12 PM
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Sorry but how stupid is it to play a kid who is injured and who is not really a factor in your team? You will need him later on....how about resting him?

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11-03-2013, 07:23 PM
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Maybe he's just a slow starter. He really turned it on 2nd half last season too IIRC. The tools he showed in preseason play though is undeniable. You can tell what he has so it's not like he's struggling due to not having the ability - this would be the real concern. Doesn't take much/long to get back to point/game pace this early in the season.

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11-03-2013, 07:28 PM
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London wins 6-2. Mac with nothing. Not even a +1.

At this point I'd settle for him becoming the next Tomas Kopecky.

Hudon and Gregoire with an assist each in the 1st.
Man, I find your concern with McCarron to be a little dramatic and kind of weird actually. Maybe he'll be a dud. Let's see in at least a year about that kind of prognostication -- because we'll still have to go through next year at least before we'll have a decent idea. In the meantime, it's one thing to be disappointed -- that's cool, we like our prospects -- but it's another to be neurotic.

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11-03-2013, 08:05 PM
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I wouldn't be worried about McCarren.

Statistically he's doing poorly, but he translates so well to the NHL level. 6'5, 230lbs guy who isn't slow and isn't completely devoid of talent? He'll put up points at the NHL level. Just throw the behemoth in front of the net on the powerplay and he'll put up 15-20G a season simply by being huge.

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11-03-2013, 08:22 PM
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Watched some of the London game (missed the 3rd period), liked what I saw from McCarron for the most part, he seemed to be getting more ice time then the last time I saw him which was several games ago. He had a couple decent passes and was on the 2nd PP unit.

Saw this clip of a Crisp fight vs Alexandre Renaud today, heck of a fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrM7...=youtube_gdata

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Maybe he's just a slow starter. He really turned it on 2nd half last season too IIRC. The tools he showed in preseason play though is undeniable. You can tell what he has so it's not like he's struggling due to not having the ability - this would be the real concern. Doesn't take much/long to get back to point/game pace this early in the season.
McCarron started the season with 4 pts in 4 games (1+3), gets injured and since then has 1 pt in 10 games (0+1). I'd say the trend is more due to the shoulder injury.

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11-03-2013, 08:40 PM
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Crisp's fight is a dandy. he doesn't look technically amazing but he can definitely throw them. A little fine tuning and he could be a monster. Seems like all he has to do is improve his skating.

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11-03-2013, 08:45 PM
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Man, I find your concern with McCarron to be a little dramatic and kind of weird actually. Maybe he'll be a dud. Let's see in at least a year about that kind of prognostication -- because we'll still have to go through next year at least before we'll have a decent idea. In the meantime, it's one thing to be disappointed -- that's cool, we like our prospects -- but it's another to be neurotic.
Why am I concerned/acting weird? Probably because:

A: I was a MAJOR proponent of trading up in that draft to the mid-teens, even if it meant trading 25+34+something else. In particular, I wanted Lazar badly. It still sucks so much that the team that beats us in round 1 got him.

B: Throw in the fact that Rychel, Mantha, Poirier and Burakovsky are all producing big numbers and went right before our pick...I am not sure how many of them we take ahead of McCarron if available, but I figure at least 2...In short, right now the 1st round of the 2013 feels like getting socks at Christmas while your buddies get far better gifts.

C: Let's face it, it's not as if McCarron was viewed by everyone as a 1st rounder. Several scouting agencies had him as a clear cut 2nd rounder. Many doubted his offence. Others felt he was way too inconsistent with his physical game. So far this season, the doubters on both accounts appear to have been proven right. This pick was definitely a leap of faith by the scouting staff - you'd like to see validation of what they saw sooner rather than later. With that said, I would have probably taken Adam Erne or Ryan Hartman instead of him at 25...and neither one is showing much progress offensively compared to last year. So I can't play armchair scout too much.

E: We NEED the type of player he *could* become so badly and sooner rather than later. The way it's looking right now, hard to believe he's a NHL regular before 2017 or 2018. He's going to definitely need next year in London (heck, maybe even an overage year à la Thrower) and probably 2 full AHL years, maybe even part of a 3rd. He's looking like he's light years away.

F: All the hyping up of McCarron from Grant definitely built up my expectations.

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11-03-2013, 09:10 PM
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Saw this clip of a Crisp fight vs Alexandre Renaud today, heck of a fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrM7...=youtube_gdata
OMFG!! Crisp is beast. That's why he's becoming more and more one of my favorite prospect of our!

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11-03-2013, 09:16 PM
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feels like getting socks at Christmas while your buddies get far better gifts.
Consider them kevlar socks that you need to work. Hard to get em elsewhere

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11-03-2013, 09:38 PM
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Big Mike McCarron playing injured: "1st degree AC joint separation in shoulder" #Knights #OHL #Habs

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separated_shoulder#Type_I
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A Type I AC separation involves direct trauma to the shoulder causing the injury to ligaments that form the joint, but no severe tearing or fracture. It is commonly referred to as a sprain.
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11-03-2013, 09:54 PM
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Now Grégoire scores.

Should have been the 1st rounder.
A second or a third round. Most likely a second round.
At this point he is at par with Poirier who was a first round (22nd).

Mantha is really having a great start of season, best in CHL.

As for McCaron, we knew that we had to wait at least two years.
So let's see how he does. Little bit too soon to judge a player of this size.

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11-03-2013, 10:01 PM
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Why am I concerned/acting weird? Probably because:

E: We NEED the type of player he *could* become so badly and sooner rather than later. The way it's looking right now, hard to believe he's a NHL regular before 2017 or 2018. He's going to definitely need next year in London (heck, maybe even an overage year à la Thrower) and probably 2 full AHL years, maybe even part of a 3rd. He's looking like he's light years away.
Based on less than 20 games with more than half with a sprained shoulder?

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I wouldn't be worried about McCarren.

Statistically he's doing poorly, but he translates so well to the NHL level. 6'5, 230lbs guy who isn't slow and isn't completely devoid of talent? He'll put up points at the NHL level. Just throw the behemoth in front of the net on the powerplay and he'll put up 15-20G a season simply by being huge.
Blunden is only a little smaller, he's fast, and he's still a long way from being an NHLer. Same for most of the guys the habs drafted in the '90s. McCarron looks better than those guys but he's still a project.

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