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08-15-2013, 10:22 AM
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Needing something and being willing to pay for it with a #1 C are too different things.

I realize Leafs fans get a lot of flack here, but honestly, if some Leafs fans continue to propose trades asking for other teams' elite young players while offering useful, but spare, parts, then yeah be prepared for some overgeneralizing ridicule.
Almost like all those elite franchise defencemen for 2-3 out of Gagner/MP/Hemsky/2nd proposals...

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08-15-2013, 10:35 AM
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RNH for Reilly, Gardiner, and some other good pieces.

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08-15-2013, 10:51 AM
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the biggest troll post of the thread.

i always hear oilers fans saying how they need an offensive rhd top 4 and better bottom 6ers but as soon as rnh comes up on comes the stupid bashing of leaf(other) players

besides, there are so many players id prefer to rnh around similar value but you dont see me going around saying i dont like him in an attempt to undermine his value.

comments like these are dumb, unnecessary and are meant to do nothing but incite a pissing war...
What year are you living in? We don't need a right handed puck mover. We have Petry and Schultz, and Franson definitely won't beat out Petry. He might beat out Schultz due to his inexperience, but since Schultz runs the offense, I'd rather keep him in the top 4.

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RNH for Reilly, Gardiner, and some other good pieces.
So we trade from an area of weakness to add to an area of strength? Makes sense...

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08-15-2013, 11:15 AM
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I'd offer up nuge if hall moved to centre

It would still take biggs, rielly, kulemin and two 1st rounders.
Lol. What has nuge done to warrent this return?

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08-15-2013, 11:17 AM
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Or maybe just come dead last twice?
3 first overalls in 4 years though

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RNH for Reilly, Gardiner, and some other good pieces.
It's Rielly.

And why would a team that doesn't have good defense trade away its two most promising d-men?

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08-15-2013, 12:06 PM
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RNH for Reilly, Gardiner, and some other good pieces.
Why would either team do that?

Edmonton is going forward with Petry, Schultz and Klefbom.

Toronto would easily have the worst blueline in the NHL.

Is this international troll week or something?

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08-15-2013, 12:08 PM
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Holy overrating RNH... if he ever were traded he would not get what Oilers fans think... that bring said, he will probably not be traded unless he starts to party ala Seguin style... why do leaf fans want him so bad? We have Kadri... our defense is a bigger need... Oilers are happy with a bunch of first rounders and probably getting more high picks as they don't get any better as a team and defensively.

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what??? first of all, he's on the top pp unit.

(1) Second of all, franson was incredible 5v5... (2) he was something like +15 over the 48 game season to give you an idea of his impact at even strength. (...)

(1) There must be a logical reason why he was the 7th d-man in equal strenght during the regular season and the 4th one during the playoffs. Unless Carlyle doesn't know a good thing when he sees one.

(2) It's always a good idea to check your facts and thus keep your credibility at a high level. He was +4 during the regular season, not +15. You might have been thinking of Fraser at +18, and that is why +/- is an almost useless stat.

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08-15-2013, 12:14 PM
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Lol. What has nuge done to warrent this return?
I'd expect nuge to be worth more than kessel which was two 1sts and a 2nd and that he will proove that worth within two years.

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08-15-2013, 12:20 PM
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RNH was injured this year I take RNH over Kadri any day of the week. Not interested in Liles or Franson,would take Petry and Schultz over them.

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08-15-2013, 12:22 PM
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First 24 games: 23 points
Last 24 games: 21 points

So streaky, lets trade him right now!

And for the record, the longest he went without a point was three games. That's hardly a drought for a rookie playing 3rd line minutes...
He was 1-4-5 in his last 12 regular season games, followed by 1-3-4 in 7 playoffs games.


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08-15-2013, 12:27 PM
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He was 1-4-5 in his last 15 regular season games, followed by 1-3-4 in 7 playoffs games.
Where are you getting those numbers from? Lol

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play.../gamelog/2013/

That's 9 points in his last 15 games...

You're right though, I'm sorry he wasn't PPG against the Boston bruins in the playoffs like Crosby and Malkin were

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08-15-2013, 12:29 PM
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He was 1-4-5 in his last 15 regular season games, followed by 1-3-4 in 7 playoffs games.
Lots of really good players are though especially young ones, the point is he was near ppg and thats a fact. He also put up 4 points in 7 games against the bruins, while a team like the canadians played a really banged up and depleted sens team and did almost nothing.

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08-15-2013, 12:34 PM
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Easy no from Edmonton.

RNH has far more value than anyone else in that deal.

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Where are you getting those numbers from? Lol

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play.../gamelog/2013/

That's 9 points in his last 15 games...

You're right though, I'm sorry he wasn't PPG against the Boston bruins in the playoffs like Crosby and Malkin were
You're right.

I misread the games played column (damn glasses).

That 1-3-4 was for the last 12 games, not 15.

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08-15-2013, 12:51 PM
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You're right.

I misread the games played column (damn glasses).

That 1-3-4 was for the last 12 games, not 15.
Even then though so what he slumped in his last 12 games, your reaching now trying to make a point that isn't there. I loved kadri's shortened season but that's what it was a short season. I expect good things from kadri but will reserve judgement until he has another full season. With that being said you cant just use a slump to say kadri wont be ppg either.

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Easy no from Edmonton.

RNH has far more value than anyone else in that deal.
No RNH has more potential value then anyone in that group. He's probably the best potential highend young player in the game but until he stays healthy and grows into that dominant #1c it's all just potential much like kadri and to a lesser extent franson.

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No RNH has more potential value then anyone in that group. He's probably the best potential highend young player in the game but until he stays healthy and grows into that dominant #1c it's all just potential much like kadri and to a lesser extent franson.
Value includes potential. And a 20-year-old 1st overall pick has a ton of potential.

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08-15-2013, 01:03 PM
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Even then though so what he slumped in his last 12 games, your reaching now trying to make a point that isn't there. I loved kadri's shortened season but that's what it was a short season. I expect good things from kadri but will reserve judgement until he has another full season. With that being said you cant just use a slump to say kadri wont be ppg either.
My point was not to disparage Kadri.

He's a good one in my opinion, and should get better.

I was simply supporting someone else who stated that he had problems with consistency last year.

In French we have the expression "finir en queue de poisson". I guess the nearest English equivalent would be "fizzle out".

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No RNH has more potential value then anyone in that group. He's probably the best potential highend young player in the game but until he stays healthy and grows into that dominant #1c it's all just potential much like kadri and to a lesser extent franson.
When we're talking about 19 year olds, potential is value...

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Okay before Edmonton flames this. Can we hear what It would take to get RNH to Toronto. Make it completely unreasonable. Like Rielly + Kadri + JVR + Reimer etc

Tell usss
We aren't good trading partners. We both have a weakness at C, so we can't afford to give you RNH even if you can make a proposal at fair value.

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Toronto would be paying more than what they did to get Kessel if they ever wanted to see RNH in their silks. And considering the lack of C depth in Edmonton, a C capable of top six minutes would also be required to make the deal possible.

Therefore, it would never happen.

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I'd offer up nuge if hall moved to centre

It would still take biggs, rielly, kulemin and two 1st rounders.
LOL ya right, if you honestly think that this proposal is fair value... then you need to lookover rnh's stats.... 4 1st round picks and one of the best defensive forwards in the league for an unproven 1st overall pick? his numbers arent even good, I dont care how high his potential is, but rnh isnt worth anywhere near that
edit: kessel is a perfect comparable for this, 1 season that was close to ppg and 1 season at .5 ppg and you are saying rnh is worth 2x more then phil? come on man thats so bad

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