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08-15-2013, 11:38 AM
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Leafs staying patient in Kadri and Franson contract negotiations

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The names Cody Franson and Nazem Kadri may inspire panic in certain parts of Leafs Nation, but there are no signs of any Toronto Maple Leafs executives running about as if their hair is on fire.

Both players are restricted free agents and neither is close to signing a new contract, hence the panic. Leafs general manager David Nonis politely declined to discuss the matter in detail Wednesday, but he did give a strong impression he is managing to sleep well.

This is not to say getting both players signed with only $4.9-million (U.S.) left under next seasonís salary cap of $64.3-million will be a piece of cake. But Nonis has options, which include starting the 2013-14 NHL season one or even two players under the 23-man roster limit. Plus, training camp is almost a month away, with the deadline for getting to the payroll limit even farther out.

The key player in this poker game is Kadri. He is younger than Franson (22, compared to 26) and has much-less NHL experience at 99 career games, compared to four full seasons for the defenceman. Both blossomed last season, with Kadri running up 44 points in 48 games as the No. 2 centre, while Franson led Leafsí blueliners in points (29).

Kadri is coming off his entry-level contract, which was a hit of $1.72-million on the salary cap last season, compared to Fransonís $1.2-million.

By all accounts, Kadri wants a big raise and a long-term contract, one that reflects the star quality he has showed from time-to-time. In 99 NHL games, Kadri has 26 goals and 37 assists, respectable numbers but hardly ones that merit an immediate bump to, say, $4-million a year.

At this point, Nonis can produce a little more than $6-million in cap space by keeping only one of Paul Ranger or Korbinian Holzer as a spare defenceman and going with no extra forwards. But the majority of that cap space is ticketed for Franson.

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$3m for Kadri, $4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.

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$3m for Kadri, $4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.
whoaaaaaaa there now. Lets dial that contract back by about $1M

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Wake me up, when september gets here.

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$3m for Kadri, $4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.
Sounds good to me! Get it done Nonis.

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$3m for Kadri, $4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.
Then every time anyone has to miss a single game for injury you have to IR them in order to call someone up and stay under the cap. 20man is not realistic.

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whoaaaaaaa there now. Lets dial that contract back by about $1M
The fact that it was a shortened season only goes so far. He was on our top powerplay unit, our leading scorer among defencemen and top 10 in the league, brings a physical presence and is no slouch defensively.

Expecting him to sign for 3 is just absurd. If he signs for anything less than 4, he's doing us a big favor.

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$3m for Kadri, $4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.
In a perfect world this would happen

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The fact that it was a shortened season only goes so far. He was on our top powerplay unit, our leading scorer among defencemen and top 10 in the league, brings a physical presence and is no slouch defensively.

Expecting him to sign for 3 is just absurd. If he signs for anything less than 4, he's doing us a big favor.
at $4 million i would expect a 4/5 year deal. franson wont be getting a $4 million deal on a 2 year contract.

i think that the best thing for franson is to sign a 1 year deal and suck it up for one season. next year there is a lot more cap room and a lot of roster spots open, if he shows he is is a legit top 4 defenseman then it will be hard to argue.

i think $2.5 for a 1 year deal for franson is not as ridiculous as some people make it sound. look at what subban signed for? he played a solid half season and 7 playoff games. $4 million + term seems like an unnecessary risk for nonis to take right now. its not like franson is kadris age and putting up his first solid season. at 26 many players have put up as good or better seasons.

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$3m for Kadri, $4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.

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whoaaaaaaa there now. Lets dial that contract back by about $1M
No chance he gets less than Gunnar nor should he.

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$3m for Kadri, $4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.
I don't see the Leafs sending Fraser to the Marlies after his play last season and the one way contract he just got. It's not that simple.

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$3m for Kadri,$4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.
This is exactly the kind of contract the leafs should be keeping away from. Even Kadri but at 3 million that's acceptable. We don't need to handcuff our selves with contracts with players who have proven very little in terms of deserving that kind of money, lets face it Cody is not a 4 million dollar defenseman at this point and time.

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No chance he gets less than Gunnar nor should he.
Disagree. Gunnar for the most part has played a significant role on our top pairing.

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Disagree. Gunnar for the most part has played a significant role on our top pairing.
Gunnar's ok but only on the top pair by default.

I wouldn't bet on Franson signing for less than Gunnar.


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Disagree. Gunnar for the most part has played a significant role on our top pairing.
Significance aside, defencemen of Franson's type routinely get paid more than defencemen of Gunnarsson's type. Points from the back-end are highly valued. It may not be fair but it's the way things work.

I'm pegging Franson at around $3.6-$3.75M for 4-5 years.

The Zach Bogosian deal may be the worst thing to happen to the Franson negotiations, though. Luckily the Shattenkirk deal has established a reasonable ceiling.

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Gunnar's ok but only on the top pair by default.

I wouldn't bet on Franson signing for less than Gunnar.
Aside from his injury streak he's been our most consistent dman not named Phaneuf. He's proven himself in a larger role and I think that's the bottom line. Franson's demands are just too high for his resume so far and I don't think Nonis will be over paying him.

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Aside from his injury streak he's been our most consistent dman not named Phaneuf. He's proven himself in a larger role and I think that's the bottom line. Franson's demands are just too high for his resume so far and I don't think Nonis will be over paying him.
Consistently unremarkable is how many see him.

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I don't expect anything till a week before the training camp. I doubt they are even talking.

Everyone is focused on vacationing and back to school stuff. It's not that uncommon.

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Significance aside, defencemen of Franson's type routinely get paid more than defencemen of Gunnarsson's type. Points from the back-end are highly valued. It may not be fair but it's the way things work.

I'm pegging Franson at around $3.6-$3.75M for 4-5 years.

The Zach Bogosian deal may be the worst thing to happen to the Franson negotiations, though. Luckily the Shattenkirk deal has established a reasonable ceiling.
I fully agree with you offensive dmen typically get paid more. I'm not saying I think Gunnar has to make more than Franson; but I think Franson's rate needs to be comparable to Gunnars.

I'm sure if Nonis can get him down to the 3.5M range; he'll be signed. But if he's asking for 4-5M like whispers are indicating, it's a no go IMO.

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The Landeskog contract (7yr, $39M, $5.57M AAV ) certainly strengthens Kadris position.

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at $4 million i would expect a 4/5 year deal. franson wont be getting a $4 million deal on a 2 year contract.

i think that the best thing for franson is to sign a 1 year deal and suck it up for one season. next year there is a lot more cap room and a lot of roster spots open, if he shows he is is a legit top 4 defenseman then it will be hard to argue.

i think $2.5 for a 1 year deal for franson is not as ridiculous as some people make it sound. look at what subban signed for? he played a solid half season and 7 playoff games. $4 million + term seems like an unnecessary risk for nonis to take right now. its not like franson is kadris age and putting up his first solid season. at 26 many players have put up as good or better seasons.
Oh Leafs fans, ever the pessimist. I know points aren't everything, and it was a shortened season, but the guy finished 8th in scoring, is physical and solid defensively, yet you still doubt that he's in the top 120 defencemen in the league?

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I fully agree with you offensive dmen typically get paid more. I'm not saying I think Gunnar has to make more than Franson; but I think Franson's rate needs to be comparable to Gunnars.

I'm sure if Nonis can get him down to the 3.5M range; he'll be signed. But if he's asking for 4-5M like whispers are indicating, it's a no go IMO.
Here's a list of comparable defencemen within 0.05 ppg of Franson over the last two seasons:

Player Age when contract signed GP before contract PPG before contract (Career) PPG before contract (2 years prior) Salary
Kevin Shattenkirk 24 201GP 0.58ppg 0.51ppg $4.25M
Michael Del Zotto 22 204 GP 0.44ppg 0.42ppg $2.55M
Alex Goligoski 26 271GP 0.50ppg 0.49ppg $4.6M
Jack Johnson 24 282GP 0.35ppg 0.48ppg $4.36M
Zach Bogosian 22 297GP 0.35ppg 0.45ppg $5.14M
Cody Franson 26 243GP 0.41ppg 0.49ppg ???

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$3m for Kadri, $4m for Franson, send Fraser to the marlies.

20 man roster, under the cap.

done and done.
After qualifying,then avoiding arbitration you actually think thats a option?

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Here's a list of comparable defencemen within 0.05 ppg of Franson over the last two seasons:

Player Age when contract signed GP before contract PPG before contract (Career) PPG before contract (2 years prior) Salary
Kevin Shattenkirk 24 201GP 0.58ppg 0.51ppg $4.25M
Michael Del Zotto 22 204 GP 0.44ppg 0.42ppg $2.55M
Alex Goligoski 26 271GP 0.50ppg 0.49ppg $4.6M
Jack Johnson 24 282GP 0.35ppg 0.48ppg $4.36M
Zach Bogosian 22 297GP 0.35ppg 0.45ppg $5.14M
Cody Franson 26 243GP 0.41ppg 0.49ppg ???
That's not to mention that it's easily arguable that the first year of those two was a rough season for Franson.

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