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08-15-2013, 09:12 PM
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You either overpay for Hansen or don't get him.

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08-15-2013, 09:15 PM
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Hansen is hard to gauge. For years he got open, then bungled the pass or shot. He has improved and is beginning to be a solid option on RW, so much so that Burrows might be moved to LW! Canucks do not have a stellar (besides the Sedin line) LW corps, so this is a valuable option.

A new coach, with a new scheme needs known quantities to rely on. Tortorelli might want some familiar players for certain roles (Avery? LOL!) but beyond that, the Canucks might be done with acquisitions.

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08-15-2013, 09:16 PM
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Rather keep Hansen, a 2nd line tweener, up and coming top 6 FWD at 1.35 is better for us than a defender we don't need.

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08-15-2013, 09:49 PM
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Vancouver wouldn't touch that deal. Bieksa despite the hatred he gets is a much better defender than Niskanen while Hansen and Sutter are close in terms of playing ability, Sutter's contract status and age put his value slightly higher. Seriously don't get why Vancouver would be adding.
I don't consider Schoeder that groundbreaking of an addition.

Not that it matters...as I said, the cap implications make it a moot point.

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08-16-2013, 12:13 AM
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I don't consider Schoeder that groundbreaking of an addition.

Not that it matters...as I said, the cap implications make it a moot point.
Schroeder's value is pretty high to Vancouver, he's likely going to start the year on the teams 3rd line. He showed glimpses of potential last year before getting sidelined with a shoulder injury, while has a very cost efficient cap hit of only 600K. Vancouver is giving up way to much for two players who aren't really needed.

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08-16-2013, 12:24 AM
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Fair value in the OP but not what the Nucks need right now.
The OP is not fair value at all.

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Easy no to that deal. Hansen does a hell of a lot for us for not a hell of a lot in return. Need more of that not less.

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08-16-2013, 04:07 AM
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Nisky seems like he's in a Franson with Nashville situation. Too good to be a cap dump but not good enough to recieve high value picks back in trade.
IMHO I think you'll see the Pens drop salary with another player while adding Nisky as the pot sweetener to get the deal closed much like Franson with Lombardi.

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Hansen for Orpik is more interesting.

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Hansen for Orpik is more interesting.
Zero interest from a Canucks POV.

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Hansen for Orpik is more interesting.
It's really not, though.

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Hansen for Orpik is more interesting.
No thanks

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Hansen for Orpik is more interesting.
There's really no interest in that from the Pens side.

Hansen's a guy some people were putting feelers out for to add to the 3rd line. Nobody wants to break up our top 4 to do that.

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Even assuming we had any need of Niskanen. We are close to the cap already and Hansen is one more year at peanuts. Why would we trade him?

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Hansen for Orpik is more interesting.
So we can what, pay either Orpik or Bieksa nearly five million to be 5th defensemen?

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08-16-2013, 08:58 AM
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So what I'm getting from this thread is "Jannik Hansen" is the Danish pronounciation of "Pascal Dupuis".

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08-16-2013, 05:29 PM
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So what I'm getting from this thread is "Jannik Hansen" is the Danish pronounciation of "Pascal Dupuis".
Pretty accurate. I think Hansen has the potential to surpass Dupuis in offence, but both players are about equal defensively. They are both worth a lot more to each team who owns them and anyone trying to acquire either player better be willing to sacrifice young talent with potential for said player.

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This is a very easy no Vancouver, don't see the value as equal, and doesn't address any needs.

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I'd do.........

To Nucks: Sutter and Niskanen

To Pens: Hansen, Schroeder and Bieksa.
I wouldn't. Makes no sense for Vancouver.

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Sutter's not moving.
Niether is Hansen

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I wouldn't mind Hansen, but Niskanen will probably end up fetching the Penguins more and I wouldn't want anything back that could play on the big club right now.
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Fair value in the OP but not what the Nucks need right now.
Hansen's value > Niskanen's value

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08-16-2013, 06:08 PM
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So what I'm getting from this thread is "Jannik Hansen" is the Danish pronounciation of "Pascal Dupuis".
I was thinking the same thing. Although, I think Hansen is better than Dupuis at this point in their careers.

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08-16-2013, 06:19 PM
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Whether or not the value is there, the simple fact is you're asking the canucks to deal from a place of need for a place of surplus.

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Penguins are a move away from clearing space and being ok, the following season the Cap can go up (no determined amount as of yet, but record sales and revenues means a good amount).

It's literally a move to get them under the cap. It's either Tanner Glass that goes or Matt Niskanen, or both and the Penguins would still have more than enough bodies to roll all 4 lines and 3 defense pairings.
I love how every team that is over the cap can easily get under it by just dealing one player away: Liles, Niskanen, Meszaros.....

Lots of sellers of overpaid expendable dmen.... but I'm not seeing many buyers.

Methinks this will be harder to accomplish than some think.

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So what I'm getting from this thread is "Jannik Hansen" is the Danish pronounciation of "Pascal Dupuis".
Yeah, only making 1/3 as much against the cap and 7 years younger, and with better physical tools (harder shot, better skater).

You know what would be interesting? A deal between Van and Pit for Glass. Basically you get a bag of pucks in return, but if you're looking to ditch cap hit, Van actually does have a hole at 4LW and Glass played there during the 2011 finals run.

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I was thinking the same thing. Although, I think Hansen is better than Dupuis at this point in their careers.
I don't think so. People will say playing with Crosby inflates Dupuis's stats, but playing with Crosby has made Dupuis a better player than he used to be. Hansen is more like Dupuis 2-3 years ago.

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I love how every team that is over the cap can easily get under it by just dealing one player away: Liles, Niskanen, Meszaros.....

Lots of sellers of overpaid expendable dmen.... but I'm not seeing many buyers.

Methinks this will be harder to accomplish than some think.
Niskanen isn't overpaid and has a much more manageable caphit than those guys. I'd say he's better than Liles at this point and unfortunately for Meszaros he's always injured.

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Pretty accurate. I think Hansen has the potential to surpass Dupuis in offence, but both players are about equal defensively. They are both worth a lot more to each team who owns them and anyone trying to acquire either player better be willing to sacrifice young talent with potential for said player.
So you think Hansen's going to surpass Dupuis's 25 goal 34 assist 59 point season?

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Yeah, only making 1/3 as much against the cap and 7 years younger, and with better physical tools (harder shot, better skater).

You know what would be interesting? A deal between Van and Pit for Glass. Basically you get a bag of pucks in return, but if you're looking to ditch cap hit, Van actually does have a hole at 4LW and Glass played there during the 2011 finals run.
Dupuis has a very hard shot and is an excellent skater.

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Niskanen isn't overpaid and has a much more manageable caphit than those guys. I'd say he's better than Liles at this point and unfortunately for Meszaros he's always injured.



So you think Hansen's going to surpass Dupuis's 25 goal 34 assist 59 point season?



Dupuis has a very hard shot and is an excellent skater.
If Hansen played with Crosby like dupuis does there's a good chance he could.

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If Hansen played with Crosby like dupuis does there's a good chance he could.
Dupuis played with Staal and Sullivan for that season as Crosby only played 22 games.

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