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08-15-2013, 01:51 PM
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What is the + that Toronto would need to add to the following trade proposal? I have read numerous times that Henrique has more value to the Devils franchise than anyone else, so try to speak in terms of non-emotional value.

To New Jersey:
Cody Franson + _____________

To Toronto:
Adam Henrique


My rationale for this:

The Leafs need to shed a defenseman. With Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly, Gunnarsson, Ranger, and then Nilsson/Granberg/Percy/Finn/Blacker being very close to NHL ready, they could use to move a guy like Franson who will be somewhat redundant in a season or two. By adding Henrique, they get themselves a #2C who is a "Randy Carlyle type player".

The Devils have had a bit of a shakeup recently with the departures of Parise, Kovalchuk, and Clarkson. Their ability to win now has been drained imo; additionally with the aging of Brodeur. While Henrique is a younger kid, they have decent C depth with Zajac, Loktionov, Gionta, and Matteau's eventual jump into the NHL. Outside of Larsson, Gelinas, they have a pretty old back end. I am aware that Merill projects well, but imo adding a young, massive #4 defender with great PP skills and a big shot would benefit them.

I would think that whatever the + would have to be would need to be either a good pick or a good, young prospect to help NJ with a rebuild/re-tool; especially since they don't have a 1st round pick next year to help them with that.

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08-15-2013, 01:53 PM
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No thank you, leafs don't need henrique. Bozak Isn't getting relegated to the third line. And henrique isn't beating out Kadri for a spot in the top 6.

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08-15-2013, 01:57 PM
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Leafs would be better off keeping Franson. Henrique is a 2nd/3rd line center. They have enough of those in the system.

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08-15-2013, 01:59 PM
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Franson isn't the centerpiece of deal for a #2 center - Not for any team in the league. The Devils have better d-man prospects then the Leafs do, so they have internal options as well. Merrill, Urbom, Gelinas, etc which you mentioned. Also, you mentioned Brodeur's aging as a negative strain on the Devils team. Does the name Corey Schneider ring any bells?

Sadly, another classic Leafs underpayment thread.

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08-15-2013, 02:09 PM
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So New Jersey, an old team with scoring problems and a surplus of defensemen....

...trades their best young forward for a dime-a-dozen defenseman while taking on salary?

Unless the + is multiple 1sts there's nothing to discuss here.

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08-15-2013, 02:10 PM
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how about hell no

We have way too many D as is

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08-15-2013, 02:18 PM
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Pretty awful for NJ. You can't just take a player from your team that is expendable and say hey what do we have to add to him to get a player that is not expendable to the other team.

Hey NJ lacks offense lets offer them a defenseman when they already have too many for one of their better forwards.

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No thanks. Leafs need a #1 center not another 2nd/3rd liner. Better off keeping Franson anyways.

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08-15-2013, 02:20 PM
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Pretty awful for NJ. You can't just take a player from your team that is expendable and say hey what do we have to add to him to get a player that is not expendable to the other team.

Hey NJ lacks offense lets offer them a defenseman when they already have too many for one of their better forwards.
Where on earth did you see Franson being expendable? Every rational leafs fan would love to have him at the right price

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Where on earth did you see Franson being expendable? Every rational leafs fan would love to have him at the right price
He is expendable because it looks like the Leafs cannot afford to keep him. It looks like it's a choice of him or Kadri currently and Kadri is needed much more then Franson. Also just look at the number of Franson trade threads there are started by Leaf fans....

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08-15-2013, 02:24 PM
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Leafs will move someone else before Franson. A defenseman just entering his prime who led the league in hits and points among dmen (top 10 in both) is definitely not expendable.

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makes no sense for either team

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So New Jersey, an old team with scoring problems and a surplus of defensemen....

...trades their best young forward for a dime-a-dozen defenseman while taking on salary?

Unless the + is multiple 1sts there's nothing to discuss here.
And I thought leaf fans overvalued their players.

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08-15-2013, 02:28 PM
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I don't see how this makes even a little bit of sense for New Jersey, they have lost 2 of their top 6, how is losing another member going to do anything for them? They need top 6 forwards.

Jagr and Ryder may be the replacements but I am not sure how that is going to work out, there is a bit of a dip in quality.

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So New Jersey, an old team with scoring problems and a surplus of defensemen....

...trades their best young forward for a dime-a-dozen defenseman while taking on salary?

Unless the + is multiple 1sts there's nothing to discuss here.
If anyone is a dime a dozen player it's Henrique considering Franson had 13 more pts than him last season and would have been 3rd on that god awful offensive team in points, only behind Elias and Kovalchuk who already ditched them, along with their 3rd highest scorer Clarkson.

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08-15-2013, 02:30 PM
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And I thought leaf fans overvalued their players.
Henrique isn't their best young forward?

Or did you not read how this makes very little sense for NJ so the price tag would be higher because of that?

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08-15-2013, 02:40 PM
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If anyone is a dime a dozen player it's Henrique considering Franson had 13 more pts than him last season and would have been 3rd on that god awful offensive team in points, only behind Elias and Kovalchuk who already ditched them, along with their 3rd highest scorer Clarkson.
An injured player had a sophomore slump. It happens. I don't think anyone is going to tell you Henrique had a good season last year.

Let me ask you this: Would you trade JVR (a young top-6 forward with consistency issues) for Bryce Salvador (unspectacular defenseman that provides you nothing you don't already have)? Because that's exactly what this proposal is to Devils fans.

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An injured player had a sophomore slump. It happens. I don't think anyone is going to tell you Henrique had a good season last year.

Let me ask you this: Would you trade JVR (a young top-6 forward with consistency issues) for Bryce Salvador (unspectacular defenseman that provides you nothing you don't already have)? Because that's exactly what this proposal is to Devils fans.
JVR>Henrique

Franson> Salvador

Your example makes no sence the diffrence between JVR and Salvador is much greater than the diffrence between Henrique and Franson.

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08-15-2013, 02:53 PM
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i dont understand the leaf fans who wouldnt trade franson for henrique? thats lunacy imo. henrique is a solid young center.

jersey would be crazy to move him for franson.

leafs are one injury away from having big problems with there top 6. they have no top 6 prospects in the pipeline ready to go. henrique would be better then anything nonis would be able to get in a trade for franson imo or call up from the marlies.

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JVR>Henrique

Franson> Salvador

Your example makes no sence the diffrence between JVR and Salvador is much greater than the diffrence between Henrique and Franson.
The difference isn't great to New Jersey.

You're offering us nothing we want for one of our cornerstone pieces, they're entirely comparable.

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08-15-2013, 03:00 PM
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Not to New Jersey.

You're offering us nothing we want for one of our cornerstone pieces, they're entirely comparable.
Leafs have no need for Henrique. Just like you guys having too many defensemen, leafs would have too many centers.

Bozak
Kadri
Bolland
Henrique
Colborne
McClement

We would only add a center if it was a true number one. We have enough 2-3 lines, we don't need Henrique.

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08-15-2013, 03:32 PM
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What about Lupul?

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You can add Kadri or JVR, then we'll start talking. The Devils made moves like acquiring Ryder and Clowe and Jagr as a way to show that they believe that they're contenders.

Trading away an important roster piece will have to add one back. Taking on Franson is hardly what the Devils would want to do, so you'd need to toss another roster player in there to even start the conversation, and more D isn't the answer.

Basically, like others have said, this proposal is far from being considered.

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You can add Kadri or JVR, then we'll start talking. The Devils made moves like acquiring Ryder and Clowe and Jagr as a way to show that they believe that they're contenders.

Trading away an important roster piece will have to add one back. Taking on Franson is hardly what the Devils would want to do, so you'd need to toss another roster player in there to even start the conversation, and more D isn't the answer.

Basically, like others have said, this proposal is far from being considered.
Kadri + Franson = 73 points

for

Henrique = 16 points

Be a good way to get the Devils some offense.

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