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08-15-2013, 07:59 PM
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An injured player had a sophomore slump. It happens. I don't think anyone is going to tell you Henrique had a good season last year.

Let me ask you this: Would you trade JVR (a young top-6 forward with consistency issues) for Bryce Salvador (unspectacular defenseman that provides you nothing you don't already have)? Because that's exactly what this proposal is to Devils fans.
Bryce Salvador is 37 and ammased 2 points in a half a season.

Franson is 26 is 2" taller (6' 5") and scored 29 points in a half season.

Also JVR is much better than Henrique. So not only did you way over-value Henrique you way under-valued Franson to the point of insanity!

So no this proposal is not even close to JVR for Salvador!

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08-15-2013, 08:46 PM
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What about Lupul?
What about him?

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08-16-2013, 07:50 AM
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I love the Leafs fans coming in here saying "Leafs don't need Henrique" rabble rabble when the Devils fans say something

you do know a Leafs fan started this right?


bottom line is the last thing the Devils need is young DMen. they have a boatload in their system already. and trading one of their only good young forwards for one makes no sense.

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08-16-2013, 07:59 AM
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Henrique fits the Devils play. We don't require a playmaker and creator like Kadri. Henrique possesses the puck at an elite level and plays damn good defense.

This trade isn't good for either side. Henrique doesn't fit whatever it is the Leafs are trying to do.

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08-16-2013, 08:24 AM
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what about Phanuef for Henrique, Fayne and conditional pick if he resigns

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08-16-2013, 08:36 AM
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what about Phanuef for Henrique, Fayne and conditional pick if he resigns
no thank you.

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08-16-2013, 08:37 AM
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what about Phanuef for Henrique, Fayne and conditional pick if he resigns
I know it's not popular consensus here but the Devils do not need D. We're fine. We allowed the least amount of shots in the NHL last year. I'm not even sure if DP would fit in here.

Henrique isn't going anywhere unless it's for a Top forward. Think Vanek.

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08-16-2013, 08:48 AM
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I know it's not popular consensus here but the Devils do not need D. We're fine. We allowed the least amount of shots in the NHL last year. I'm not even sure if DP would fit in here.

Henrique isn't going anywhere unless it's for a Top forward. Think Vanek.
Okay thanks, was thinking it was more of a face of the franchise move then necessarily purely on ice

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08-16-2013, 09:08 AM
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Okay thanks, was thinking it was more of a face of the franchise move then necessarily purely on ice
We would never make a move for that reason. Lou believes that no one player is bigger than the logo on the front of the jersey.

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what about Phanuef for Henrique, Fayne and conditional pick if he resigns
LIRL.

Leafs don't want to be a lottery team. Thanks for the suggestion though.

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LIRL.

Leafs don't want to be a lottery team. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Phaneuf is the swing between playoffs and missing? really?

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LIRL.

Leafs don't want to be a lottery team. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Classic demonstration of total and complete unfamiliarity with players on small market teams.

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08-16-2013, 10:09 AM
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Phaneuf is the swing between playoffs and missing? really?
Our defense is THAT bad.

We don't have anyone who can come close to taking his minutes on the PK or ES. He plays against other teams' best lines every night.

In a couple years when some kids on the farm have reached the NHL we'll be able to entertain moving him without taking a big step back.

As much as folks want to hate on Dion, he's a big part of our team.

As for Henrique, we don't need the guy at the moment due to our forward depth... not sure why the OP didn't feel like targeting one of Jersey's stay-at-home defensive prospects (that are hopefully RHD)?

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wasn't sure about the NJ perspective but as a Leafs fan I saw it as a loss on D talent but improvement on overall team d

Top 9 would be very solid and d balanced which gives Carlyle a lot of options to control games. I think you'd see Fayne do really well under Carlyle too.

anyway thanks for the feedback from NJ fans

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wasn't sure about the NJ perspective but as a Leafs fan I saw it as a loss on D talent but improvement on overall team d

Top 9 would be very solid and d balanced which gives Carlyle a lot of options to control games. I think you'd see Fayne do really well under Carlyle too.

anyway thanks for the feedback from NJ fans
Fayne and Henrique does improve your overall defense over just Phaneuf. That much is true.

That trade is a win for Tor in a world where both teams are average at every aspect of the game. In a vacuum. But it's a loss for NJ. Phanuef wouldn't make enough of an impact to warrant moving Adam or Fayne.

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08-16-2013, 10:52 AM
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What is the + that Toronto would need to add to the following trade proposal? I have read numerous times that Henrique has more value to the Devils franchise than anyone else, so try to speak in terms of non-emotional value.

To New Jersey:
Cody Franson + _____________

To Toronto:
Adam Henrique


My rationale for this:

The Leafs need to shed a defenseman. With Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly, Gunnarsson, Ranger, and then Nilsson/Granberg/Percy/Finn/Blacker being very close to NHL ready, they could use to move a guy like Franson who will be somewhat redundant in a season or two. By adding Henrique, they get themselves a #2C who is a "Randy Carlyle type player".

The Devils have had a bit of a shakeup recently with the departures of Parise, Kovalchuk, and Clarkson. Their ability to win now has been drained imo; additionally with the aging of Brodeur. While Henrique is a younger kid, they have decent C depth with Zajac, Loktionov, Gionta, and Matteau's eventual jump into the NHL. Outside of Larsson, Gelinas, they have a pretty old back end. I am aware that Merill projects well, but imo adding a young, massive #4 defender with great PP skills and a big shot would benefit them.

I would think that whatever the + would have to be would need to be either a good pick or a good, young prospect to help NJ with a rebuild/re-tool; especially since they don't have a 1st round pick next year to help them with that.
regardless of value the need isnt there....

the last thing leafs need is more Centers.. and without franson our D is substantially worse.

NJ shouldnt be moving the promising young players... especially if they are rebuilding and not in "win-now" mode. I dont think NJ really needs D either....
the last thing NJ needs is

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08-16-2013, 11:08 AM
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What is the + that Toronto would need to add to the following trade proposal? I have read numerous times that Henrique has more value to the Devils franchise than anyone else, so try to speak in terms of non-emotional value.

To New Jersey:
Cody Franson + _____________

To Toronto:
Adam Henrique


My rationale for this:

The Leafs need to shed a defenseman. With Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly, Gunnarsson, Ranger, and then Nilsson/Granberg/Percy/Finn/Blacker being very close to NHL ready, they could use to move a guy like Franson who will be somewhat redundant in a season or two. By adding Henrique, they get themselves a #2C who is a "Randy Carlyle type player".

The Devils have had a bit of a shakeup recently with the departures of Parise, Kovalchuk, and Clarkson. Their ability to win now has been drained imo; additionally with the aging of Brodeur. While Henrique is a younger kid, they have decent C depth with Zajac, Loktionov, Gionta, and Matteau's eventual jump into the NHL. Outside of Larsson, Gelinas, they have a pretty old back end. I am aware that Merill projects well, but imo adding a young, massive #4 defender with great PP skills and a big shot would benefit them.

I would think that whatever the + would have to be would need to be either a good pick or a good, young prospect to help NJ with a rebuild/re-tool; especially since they don't have a 1st round pick next year to help them with that.
That is a terrible group of centers.

A 2nd line center in Zajac, a tweener center in Lokionov who was traded for a 5th rounder last season and two prospects who are projected to be tweeners at best isn't depth down the middle.

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08-16-2013, 11:50 AM
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That is a terrible group of centers.

A 2nd line center in Zajac, a tweener center in Lokionov who was traded for a 5th rounder last season and two prospects who are projected to be tweeners at best isn't depth down the middle.
well, Gionta stinks as a center.

but as of now our C depth is Zajac/Henrique/Loktionov/Josefson/Carter

with guys like Zubrus and Elias that could play there if need be.

its not great since they don't have a top end guy but its decent.

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08-16-2013, 12:18 PM
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Kadri + Franson = 73 points

for

Henrique = 16 points

Be a good way to get the Devils some offense.

Lets go back a year..

Henrique = 51 pts

Kadri + Franson = 28 pts

One season does not a player make.

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08-16-2013, 12:21 PM
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What about Lupul?
What about him? I assume you aren't referring to trading him for Henrique.

We have no need for Henrique at all. Replacing any of our centers with him would be a needless sideways move, and we need Franson.

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Regardless of how non-devils fans may view Henrique, consider the fact that in the past two seasons we've lost Parise, Kovy, and Clarkson. His value IS much greater to us than other organizations because we have offense dropping like flies. Adding another defenseman when arguably 7 of our top 10 prospects are D-Men and giving up one of our only legitimate young offensive talents seems absurd to me. It has nothing to do with emotions, it's common sense. The only way we trade Henrique is if we're getting more offense in return so essentially we aren't dealing him for anything.

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Rather keep Franson.

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If anyone is a dime a dozen player it's Henrique considering Franson had 13 more pts than him last season and would have been 3rd on that god awful offensive team in points, only behind Elias and Kovalchuk who already ditched them, along with their 3rd highest scorer Clarkson.
Holy crap there's a lot of anger in this post.

We don't need Franson. We need Henrique. It's that simple.

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Rather keep Franson.
I'd rather you did too.

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Classic demonstration of total and complete unfamiliarity with players on small market teams.
They can't handle rejection, has to be someone else's fault they're bad offers every time.

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