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08-16-2013, 02:19 PM
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If anyone is a dime a dozen player it's Henrique considering Franson had 13 more pts than him last season and would have been 3rd on that god awful offensive team in points, only behind Elias and Kovalchuk who already ditched them, along with their 3rd highest scorer Clarkson.
Let's just break up your logic here:

1. Henrique is a dime-a-dozen player because Franson had 13 more points than him in a shortened season.

2. You acknowledge how awful the offense was, yet have no problem stating that Franson would have accumulated an identical point total had he been on the Devils.

Look I won't even get into Henrique because you clearly have never seen him play, but as bad as he was last year he was still better than our "3rd highest scorer Clarkson." You see Clarkson just flat out disappeared after the first few weeks of the season. He was non-existent. And when Clarkson doesn't score, he's useless. He's an awful skater, awful passer, and has the IQ of a squirrel. No Devils fan wanted him back for a Top 6 Role. We all wouldn't have minded him back at 3-4 million for a few years because of the respect we have for him.

Henrique is by far > Clarkson and it's not even close. He was last year. A clear demonstration that points don't tell the whole story. Yet you just look at points and determine that Henrique is a dime a dozen player.

It's funny you mention Clarkson, because if anyone is a dime-a-dozen player, it's that guy. You can find Clarkson in the AHL in nearly every organization.

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08-16-2013, 04:32 PM
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what about Phanuef for Henrique, Fayne and conditional pick if he resigns
Thank god you're not Nonis

Like it or not, Dion is instrumental to the Leafs. Our D core without him would be among the worst in the league.

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08-16-2013, 04:45 PM
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No thank you, leafs don't need henrique. Bozak Isn't getting relegated to the third line. And henrique isn't beating out Kadri for a spot in the top 6.
Toronto takes this and sprints away with it. Henrique is already better then Bozak, put him on a line with Kessel see what happens....

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08-16-2013, 04:48 PM
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NJ does not need more D. NO.

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08-16-2013, 05:32 PM
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What about him? I assume you aren't referring to trading him for Henrique.

We have no need for Henrique at all. Replacing any of our centers with him would be a needless sideways move, and we need Franson.
Not Henrique for Lupul, maybe something else. What would it take to acquire Lupul?

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08-16-2013, 07:13 PM
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Phaneuf is the swing between playoffs and missing? really?
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Classic demonstration of total and complete unfamiliarity with players on small market teams.
Classic demonstration of unfamiliarity with players on a large market team.

Our #1D gets shipped out. Now please list our defensive pairings and if you would be confident with that going forward.

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08-16-2013, 09:20 PM
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Classic demonstration of unfamiliarity with players on a large market team.

Our #1D gets shipped out. Now please list our defensive pairings and if you would be confident with that going forward.
im familiar with Phaneuf, but to say he is the piece of the puzzle that means the Leafs make the playoffs instead of missing is stupid. he was on the team for 3 playoff misses

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08-16-2013, 10:04 PM
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im familiar with Phaneuf, but to say he is the piece of the puzzle that means the Leafs make the playoffs instead of missing is stupid. he was on the team for 3 playoff misses
He was an awfully key piece to the Leafs making the playoffs. No playoff team will ship out their #1D who plays in all situations, plays against the toughest competition, and produces points, for lesser pieces under normal circumstances.

You conveniently left out Ron Wilson as a reason that the Leafs didn't make the playoffs as well.

It's not really far-fetched to think that the Leafs would be a non-playoff team without Phaneuf. Again, list the defensive pairings and ask everyone if it inspires confidence.

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08-16-2013, 10:08 PM
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Might aswell close the thread leafs have no need in another 2nd/3rdliner and devils don't need Franson. Devils don't have anything of value to move in a deal for one of the leaf forwards other than Larsson. So there's no deal there either.

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08-16-2013, 10:22 PM
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Not Henrique for Lupul, maybe something else. What would it take to acquire Lupul?
Larsson is the only one on your team that's value is in the ballpark of Lupul for us..

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08-16-2013, 10:24 PM
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If Henrique is somehow offered for Franson the Leafs take that deal and sprint away like they have robbed a bank....but it won't be as Devils are not strong down the middle/want to keep their homegrown talent. I'd love to have Franson back on the Leafs as he's a boss offensively and underrated criminally on defense (esp his physicality). To boot he shoots right, which is a big need for Carlyle's matching tactics (only d likely to make the opening night roster who shoots right/Granberg is possible but a longshot). Hopefully this situation (Franson) is resolved sooner rather than later as he balances things out pretty nicely..

Dion Gunner
Franson Gardiner
Ranger Fraser

(Granberg,Reilly,Holzer, all compete for a spot on that bottom pairing with Brennan the likely 7th)

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08-16-2013, 11:27 PM
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Not Henrique for Lupul, maybe something else. What would it take to acquire Lupul?
The only players you guys have who I would move Lupul for would be Larsson and Schneider, and obviously that wouldn't make sense for you guys.

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08-17-2013, 07:40 AM
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Lupul is a good goal scorer but in no universe is he going to land you a Larsson type or Schneider type of young player...I'm not going to pick apart Lupul but I think you guys are way off base with that...

He was traded to the Leafs and wasn't even worth Beauchemin by himself...he needed to be included with Gardiner and a conditional fourth-round draft pick in exchange for a stay at home defenseman.

So you gotta believe his value has skyrocketed to be mentioning players like Larsson or Schneider and it simply hasn't.


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08-17-2013, 07:45 AM
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Lupul is a good goal scorer but in no universe is he going to land you a Larsson type or Schneider type of young player...I'm not going to pick apart Lupul but I think you guys are way off base with that...

He was traded to the Leafs and wasn't even worth Beauchemin by himself...he needed to be included with Gardiner and a conditional fourth-round draft pick in exchange for a stay at defenseman.

So you gotta believe his value has skyrocketed to be mentioning players like Larsson or Schneider and it simply hasn't.
Its pretty simple. If you want to take Lupul out of Toronto it WILL take an overpayment. Ala Schneider or Larsson.

But I can fully understand devil fans wanting nothing to do with a trade like that.

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Its pretty simple. If you want to take Lupul out of Toronto it WILL take an overpayment. Ala Schneider or Larsson.

But I can fully understand devil fans wanting nothing to do with a trade like that.
An Overpayment would be a 1st round pick....you are talking over over overpayment.

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08-17-2013, 08:01 AM
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The only players you guys have who I would move Lupul for would be Larsson and Schneider, and obviously that wouldn't make sense for you guys.
Both of them alone are worth much more than Lupul.

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An Overpayment would be a 1st round pick....you are talking over over overpayment.
He is worth more than a 1st unless it is top 10.

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An Overpayment would be a 1st round pick....you are talking over over overpayment.
No...

You're underestimating how important Lupul is to our club.

He's been PPG since joining the leafs, in what world is he only worth a 1st?

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He is worth more than a 1st unless it is top 10.
No he really isn't...if Lupul had to be packaged with Gardiner and pick last time he was traded for Beauchemin how in the world is he worth a 1st now? If anything the injury concerns from back then have been validated so there is no way his value has risen all that much.

I'm not trying to be negative on Lupul, he is a very good offensive player when he is healthy...but he's had a lot problems staying healthy and he doesn't really bring a full range of other attributes beyond offense. I think you are drastically over valuing Lupul. That isn't at all meant to be a knock on the player though.

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08-17-2013, 08:28 AM
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No he really isn't...if Lupul had to be packaged with Gardiner and pick last time he was traded for Beauchemin how in the world is he worth a 1st now? If anything the injury concerns from back then have been validated so there is no way his value has risen all that much.

I'm not trying to be negative on Lupul, he is a very good offensive player when he is healthy...but he's had a lot problems staying healthy and he doesn't really bring a full range of other attributes beyond offense. I think you are drastically over valuing Lupul. That isn't at all meant to be a knock on the player though.
Regardless of how he is valued around the league, he is the captain of Toronto's forward core without question.

BTW, Lupul today > Lupul 3 years ago. He's not even remotely the same player.

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08-17-2013, 08:33 AM
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This thread is going nowhere fast. So far I've heard arguments that Henrique is a "dime a dozen player" and that Lupul's value hasn't changed since stringing together two ppg seasons with the Leafs.

Both fanbases are making me facepalm a little bit on this one. I believe what most of my fellow Leaf fans are trying to say is that Lupul is worth a lot more to the Leafs than he is worth on the open market and that his value on the open market has clearly gone up since putting together some breakout seasons. A healthy Lupul would be top10 in the NHL in scoring and his character is well known to our fanbase.

As for Henrique, I haven't seen him play enough to make a clear judgement but he's one of the few top6 forwards the Devil's have left and probably isn't going to be moved anytime soon for help on the blueline.

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Regardless of how he is valued around the league, he is the captain of Toronto's forward core without question.

BTW, Lupul today > Lupul 3 years ago. He's not even remotely the same player.
I'm sure he isn't the same player he was 3 years ago, but he is still missing games at the same rate he was 3 years ago and that is why he was so cheap 3 years ago....that and his lack of defense...so maybe he is a more well rounded player today but a guy who is a question mark for 60 games in a season significantly brings down his value.

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A healthy Lupul would be top10 in the NHL in scoring and his character is well known to our fanbase.
Problem is he has been healthy for a full season once in the last 6 years.

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NJ lacks of scoring forwards and has a ******** of Dmen.



This proposal is so dumb we shouldn't answer it back it's putting stupidity in the spolight.

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