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Alex Galchenyuk vs Nail Yakupov Part II

View Poll Results: Who do you want in your franchise? Who you think will be the best player?
Alex Galchenyuk 329 61.73%
Nail Yakupov 204 38.27%
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08-18-2013, 01:39 PM
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yakupov got benched in the 3rd period regularly while playing for one of the worst teams in the league.

checkmate.
At the start of the year mostly however when he was put on in the third he regularly scored dramatic tying goals or winning goals.

Near the end of the year when he was finally given some ice time with good linemates he thrived regarldess of what period it was.

BTW the coach that benched him was replaced after just one year.

(Saying checkmate at the end of your post is just obnoxious btw.)

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08-18-2013, 01:40 PM
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yakupov got benched in the 3rd period regularly while playing for one of the worst teams in the league.

checkmate.
At least he wasn't benched when he scored a hat trick on Luongo in his last game

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08-18-2013, 01:48 PM
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At least he wasn't benched when he scored a hat trick on Luongo in his last game
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2012020718

except Luongo didn't exactly have much help.

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It is impossible to change your opinion unless you actually watch the games. The stats don't do Yakupov (or Galchenyuk) justice. We will see next season. I expect Yakupov to light it up
The thing is that us Canadiens fans believe that Galchenyuk can light it up as well next season. More ice time, more PWP time, more responsibilities. I personally don't think he will have a sophomore slump because it was a shortened season as well as he has the character and determination to succeed. I would consider a 50-60 points campaign from him.

Not to forget that Galchenyuk played on a 3rd line with Gallagher and Eller. Unlike Yakupov who had 2nd line icetime and more powerplay time.

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The thing is that us Canadiens fans believe that Galchenyuk can light it up as well next season. More ice time, more PWP time, more responsibilities. I personally don't think he will have a sophomore slump because it was a shortened season as well as he has the character and determination to succeed. I would consider a 50-60 points campaign from him.

Not to forget that Galchenyuk played on a 3rd line with Gallagher and Eller. Unlike Yakupov who had 2nd line icetime and more powerplay time.
2nd line icetime doesn't mean a whole lot when your main linemates are Paajarvi/Horcoff/Belanger/Smyth..

Gallagher and Eller are great players in comparison.

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08-18-2013, 02:17 PM
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2nd line icetime doesn't mean a whole lot when your main linemates are Paajarvi/Horcoff/Belanger/Smyth..

Gallagher and Eller are great players in comparison.
He played with prust alot too who considers 20 pts a career year

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He played with prust alot too who considers 20 pts a career year
You might want to check out recent point totals for the players I mentioned Yakupov almost exclusively played with.

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You might want to check out recent point totals for the players I mentioned Yakupov almost exclusively played with.
Who do you foresee Yakupov playing with under Eakins next season? Legit question.

A line of #1 OV's with Hall and RNH? Maybe a 2nd line of him, Perron, and Gagner?

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Who do you foresee Yakupov playing with under Eakins next season? Legit question.

A line of #1 OV's with Hall and RNH? Maybe a 2nd line of him, Perron, and Gagner?
Well to end the year he was playing with Hall and Gagner and like I said earlier, Yakupov was scoring at the second highest pace in the entire league for the last month of the season. I'd love to see him play with RNH and Hall, but a line of Perron-Gagner-Eberle is a little too soft.

Hall-Gagner-Eberle
Perron-RNH-Yakupov

It's really interchangeable but no matter where Yak plays in the top 6 he should have success.

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Both great players, these polls are always tied and I understand why.

Yakupov:
More dynamic
Better goal scorer
Can do all the work by himself

Galchenyuk:
More complete
Better passer
Makes everybody around him better

Hopefully some people will agree with this, but it depends on your favorite style of hockey. I like the defensive part of the NHL so my choice would be Galchenyuk. But if you like some exciting hockey you would love to have Yakupov on your team.
But I honestly think their offensive upsides are similar so I hope nobody will use the famous AINEC

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2nd line icetime doesn't mean a whole lot when your main linemates are Paajarvi/Horcoff/Belanger/Smyth..

Gallagher and Eller are great players in comparison.
Actually Yakupov spent most of his season playing with Sam Gagner, who is more offensively gifted than any of Galchenyuk's line mates. I'm tired of this myth that Yakupov only played with offensively challenged line mates. Here's the stats proving it

http://www.leftwinglock.com/line-com...gametype=ALL#A

Even on the powerplay, he was most used with Eberle and Gagner

http://www.leftwinglock.com/line-com...gametype=ALL#A

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yakupov got benched in the 3rd period regularly while playing for one of the worst teams in the league.

checkmate.
Out of curiosity, how many games did he get benched in the 3rd.

Interesting thing about that, guess which period was the most productive for Yakupov? Thats right, the 3rd. He had the most points in the 3rd and had equal or more shots and goals in the 3rd period than in the 1st and 2nd combined. Pretty good production for the most important period.

Guess which period was the least productive for Galchenyuk? Thats right, the 3rd. Least amount of goals, points and shots in that most important period. So you may want to re-think that argument.

But thanks for knocking over your king and conceding checkmate after such a weak argument.

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Close, but I think Yakupov will be slightly better.

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yakupov got benched in the 3rd period regularly while playing for one of the worst teams in the league.

checkmate.
with coaching so bad the coach only lasted a season!

Yakupov.

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so huge difference. 4 points and pp time.

You guys should give your head a shake
Galchenyuk was also one of the most sheltered top 9 forwards in the league last season.

Yakupov was playing against good players.

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08-18-2013, 02:53 PM
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Galchenyuk was also one of the most sheltered top 9 forwards in the league last season.

Yakupov was playing against good players.
care to prove this.

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care to prove this.
Did you not watch any Habs games this year?

You can google Qualcomp if you want as well.

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Not to forget that Galchenyuk played on a 3rd line with Gallagher and Eller. Unlike Yakupov who had 2nd line icetime and more powerplay time.
Yeah, people shouldnt forget that Galchenyuk didnt earn better linemates and more PP time.

They can also go back and read my two long-winded posts on page 28 of the other thread...

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...402407&page=28

...noting that the more Galchenyuk played, the less he produced. So he played better when he had his minutes limited. So yeah, people shouldnt forget that he didnt earn more icetime and he didnt earn more PP time because of his lack of production. Unlike Yakupov, who produced better with the more opportunities he was given, like scoring more with more ice time and in the 3rd period.

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This will soon look like Tavares vs Duchene or Hall vs Seguin.

Gally will be a very good player, but not as good as Yakupov.

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Did you not watch any Habs games this year?

You can google Qualcomp if you want as well.
did you specifically select Qualcomp because Galchenyuk has a better Corsi Rel QoC?

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This will soon look like Tavares vs Duchene or Hall vs Seguin.

Gally will be a very good player, but not as good as Yakupov.
If he becomes the true #1C we've needed for so long, I think we'll be happy with that, even if Yakupov ends up being the better player.

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did you specifically select Qualcomp because Galchenyuk has a better Corsi Rel QoC?
No, I chose Qualcomp because I am talking about the quality of competition that Galchenyuk faced.

Corsi is a shot differential statistic that has nothing to do with the point I am making.

Galchenyuk spent the majority of the season playing against bottom pairing defencemen and third and fourth line forwards. You're a Habs fan so I'm assuming you've watched the Habs play like I have. Are you trying to deny that Galchenyuk was sheltered?

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If he becomes the true #1C we've needed for so long, I think we'll be happy with that, even if Yakupov ends up being the better player.
I wish more Habs fans would look at it this way

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No, I chose Qualcomp because I am talking about the quality of competition that Galchenyuk faced.

Corsi is a shot differential statistic that has nothing to do with the point I am making.

Galchenyuk spent the majority of the season playing against bottom pairing defencemen and third and fourth line forwards. You're a Habs fan so I'm assuming you've watched the Habs play like I have. Are you trying to deny that Galchenyuk was sheltered?
nope. but you seem to be pretending as if Yakupov was facing top line opposition.

they were both sheltered. if you want to make a case for the Oilers having less depth, hence having to use him more against better comp. than Galchenyuk faced, ok. that's fair.

but can i remind you that the Habs were in the toughest division in the NHL while the Oilers were in one of the weakest? this is where Qualcomp fails.

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If he becomes the true #1C we've needed for so long, I think we'll be happy with that, even if Yakupov ends up being the better player.
Fair enough. Now, the question on the poll is not 'what player is better for the Montreal Canadiens situation', it's which player will ultimately be better.

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