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06-29-2005, 10:25 AM
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My team ($36 Million cap)

Gagne (2M) - Carter (850K) - **** (3M)
Stillman (1.8M) - Handzus (2.1M) - Knuble (2.1M)
Kapanen (1.5M) - Primeau (3.4M) - Radivojevic (600K)
Sharp (500K) - Richards (850K) - Stevenson (1.3M)

Niedermayer (5M) - Markov (2.4M)
Johnsson (2.25M) - Pitkanen (900K)
Seidenberg (500K) - Desjardins (1.5M)

Esche (1M)
Niittymaki (400K)

Ex:
Timander (600K)
Fedoruk (400K)
Somik (500K)

If JR wants to stay he accepts $3M, if not spend the $3M on one of Demitra, Satan or Murray ... or get real lucky, and play Crosby on the RW ... freeing up an extra few million to turn Desjardins into Adam Foote.

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Why sign Stillman?

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Why sign Stillman?
Ummm we're a bit short on top 6 wingers, especially playmakers.

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Gagne (2M) - Carter (850K) - **** (3M)
Stillman (1.8M) - Handzus (2.1M) - Knuble (2.1M)
Kapanen (1.5M) - Primeau (3.4M) - Radivojevic (600K)
Sharp (500K) - Richards (850K) - Stevenson (1.3M)

Niedermayer (5M) - Markov (2.4M)
Johnsson (2.25M) - Pitkanen (900K)
Seidenberg (500K) - Desjardins (1.5M)

Esche (1M)
Niittymaki (400K)

Ex:
Timander (600K)
Fedoruk (400K)
Somik (500K)

If JR wants to stay he accepts $3M, if not spend the $3M on one of Demitra, Satan or Murray
that would be a pretty filthy team... i'd rather have Satan at 3M for three-years or something than Roenick, as much as i like JR. though, Demitra is a good passer, which would be good with a guy like Carter that seems like more of a finisher than a disher. Gagne is definitely NOT a disher...

i'm conflicted over whether i want Richards playing 4th line here, or 1st line with the Phantoms... he would get a lot of time playing under Hitch on the PK, and he does roll the 4th line with regularity... but 20 min. a game on a scoring line for the Phantoms might be better...

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06-29-2005, 10:33 AM
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Stillman would be perfect. The Flyers are short on wingers, and late in close games he could be used as a center if Hitchcock so desires; also in case of injury. Personally I'd non-tender Somik and sign someone with more versatility. But I can't see the Flyers signing Stillman, Niedermayer, AND a Demitra/Satan/Murry type... but damn, is that appealing. Personally I think Niedermayer is going to Vancouver or staying put, but I hope I'm wrong.

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Stillman would be perfect. The Flyers are short on wingers, and late in close games he could be used as a center if Hitchcock so desires; also in case of injury. Personally I'd non-tender Somik and sign someone with more versatility. But I can't see the Flyers signing Stillman, Niedermayer, AND a Demitra/Satan/Murry type... but damn, is that appealing. Personally I think Niedermayer is going to Vancouver or staying put, but I hope I'm wrong.
depends on how much flexibility they can create through buy-outs... the MAJOR benefit to this deal that i think has been overlooked as far as the big-markets are concerned is that they KNOW they are going to turn serious profits from here on out. therefore, it is worth their while to get as good a team as possible on the ice as quickly as possible... if that means biting the bullet on a big buy-out bill at first, i doubt Snider is going to hesitate... if they can shed Leclair, Amonte, and potentially Roenick to replace with Stillman, Satan/Demitra, and Nieds... that team will be solid.

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depends on how much flexibility they can create through buy-outs... the MAJOR benefit to this deal that i think has been overlooked as far as the big-markets are concerned is that they KNOW they are going to turn serious profits from here on out. therefore, it is worth their while to get as good a team as possible on the ice as quickly as possible... if that means biting the bullet on a big buy-out bill at first, i doubt Snider is going to hesitate... if they can shed Leclair, Amonte, and potentially Roenick to replace with Stillman, Satan/Demitra, and Nieds... that team will be solid.
Absolutely. If there's no limit on the amount of buyouts, it's going to be a crazy free agency period. Fortuneately, the Flyers are in as good as a position as anyone for that. It's going to be an exciting season.

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Gagne (2M) - Carter (850K) - **** (3M)
Stillman (1.8M) - Handzus (2.1M) - Knuble (2.1M)
Kapanen (1.5M) - Primeau (3.4M) - Radivojevic (600K)
Sharp (500K) - Richards (850K) - Stevenson (1.3M)

Niedermayer (5M) - Markov (2.4M)
Johnsson (2.25M) - Pitkanen (900K)
Seidenberg (500K) - Desjardins (1.5M)

Esche (1M)
Niittymaki (400K)

Ex:
Timander (600K)
Fedoruk (400K)
Somik (500K)

If JR wants to stay he accepts $3M, if not spend the $3M on one of Demitra, Satan or Murray ... or get real lucky, and play Crosby on the RW ... freeing up an extra few million to turn Desjardins into Adam Foote.
Niedermayer would be nice to have, but I think I'd rather an Adam Foote kind of guy. He's going to carry a lesser price tag and that will eventually help us in the long run. Johnsson can be the same kind of playing Nieds is and he's younger.

I'm not sure if Carter will be able to start right off on the first line. I'd be confortable with Handzus playing that role until Carter proves he is ready to carry the responsibilities.

As for that winger on the first line. I'll throw out Ziggy Palfy. He can score if he can stay healthly, but that If is pretty big.

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06-29-2005, 10:49 AM
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Niedermayer would be nice to have, but I think I'd rather an Adam Foote kind of guy.
Foote might be more of the style the Flyers could use, but Niedermayer would be better. First off he's the better player. And I'd have to worry about Foote's health, in 4 of the past 6 years he hasn't played in 70 games, although the two years he has were the last two, and his style of play is not condusive to staying healthy. Niedermayer on the other hand, has been able to stay healthy better, and he's a couple of years younger.

An added bonus with Niedermayer is if the Flyers have him, it means the Devils don't.

I should add, if the Flyers can't get Niedermayer, I'd happily settle for Foote.

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I know I am in the minority, but I truly think Gagne should be with Richards. Richards is more of a distributor of the puck than any of our other centers. Carter and Roenick together. Kapanen and Primeau. Handzus and Knuble. That means just plugging in the other 4 spots with the remaining guys on the roster.

In no order:

Gagne/Richards/???
???/Carter/Roenick
Kapanen/Primeau/???
Knuble/Handzus/???

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I know I am in the minority, but I truly think Gagne should be with Richards. Richards is more of a distributor of the puck than any of our other centers. Carter and Roenick together. Kapanen and Primeau. Handzus and Knuble. That means just plugging in the other 4 spots with the remaining guys on the roster.

In no order:

Gagne/Richards/???
???/Carter/Roenick
Kapanen/Primeau/???
Knuble/Handzus/???
it's time for Gags to play on the first line consistently, and Richards WILL NOT be the first line center next season... i question whether he will even be on the Flyers to begin the year.

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In no order:

Gagne/Richards/???
???/Carter/Roenick
Kapanen/Primeau/???
Knuble/Handzus/???
Sharp, Radivojevic, Stevenson are all guaranteed a spot on the team. I could see room for one more, but would rather go with a cheap fourth liner, ie Fedoruk, Somik, Umberger, or possibly someone like Sim and sign a great defenseman. Add a top defenseman ie Foote or Acouin and we have solid team all around. I would much rather be solid and unspectacular than be a team with a great top two scoring lines but with holes everywhere else.

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it's time for Gags to play on the first line consistently, and Richards WILL NOT be the first line center next season... i question whether he will even be on the Flyers to begin the year.
why couldn't Richards be a centerman on a line with Gagne? I don't understand why Mike is so undervalued on this board. His offensive game is just as good, maybe even better than Carter's and he's great defensively. It definitely can't hurt putting Mike on a line Gagne.

There is absolutely no way he goes to the Phantoms this year. Clarke has said it and Hitchcock has said it. Richards and Carter will be on the big club. As what Hitch said, they are special players.

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why couldn't Richards be a centerman on a line with Gagne? I don't understand why Mike is so undervalued on this board. His offensive game is just as good, maybe even better than Carter's and he's great defensively. It definitely can't hurt putting Mike on a line Gagne.

There is absolutely no way he goes to the Phantoms this year. Clarke has said it and Hitchcock has said it. Richards and Carter will be on the big club. As what Hitch said, they are special players.
they are special players, and i think he's going to be a very good player at the NHL level... just not as a first-line scoring option. he's going to be a GREAT two-way player, GREAT PK'er, with some good offensive skills... just doesn't have -- it would be great if i was wrong -- the offensive potential in the first-line sense... he's going to get a lot of points short-handed and whatnot, but not a guy i'm really expecting to go out and dominate at 5-on-5 like i think Carter can.

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Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
Gagne (2M) - Carter (850K) - **** (3M)
Stillman (1.8M) - Handzus (2.1M) - Knuble (2.1M)
Kapanen (1.5M) - Primeau (3.4M) - Radivojevic (600K)
Sharp (500K) - Richards (850K) - Stevenson (1.3M)

Niedermayer (5M) - Markov (2.4M)
Johnsson (2.25M) - Pitkanen (900K)
Seidenberg (500K) - Desjardins (1.5M)

Esche (1M)
Niittymaki (400K)

Ex:
Timander (600K)
Fedoruk (400K)
Somik (500K)

If JR wants to stay he accepts $3M, if not spend the $3M on one of Demitra, Satan or Murray ... or get real lucky, and play Crosby on the RW ... freeing up an extra few million to turn Desjardins into Adam Foote.
Not bad at all.

Niedermayer and Stillman are the two free agents I would like for us to target as well.

A few things though.

Knuble was given a 2 million dollar contract by, not 2.1.
With a 24% rollback his salary will be 1.5 million.

Stevenson will get 1.2 million.
1.6 million at a 24% rollback comes to 1.216 million per.

Gagne, Johnsson, and Esche will get WAY more than you are predicting.

2.5 million for Gagne and Johnsson, easy.
Esche will probably get in the neighborhood of 1.75 - 2 million.

That's 6.75 million, as opposed to 4.25 million under your salaries, BIG difference.

With a salary cap and guys like Umberger, Eager, Meloche, Sim, etc on the Phantoms, no need to have two extra forwards.

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I wouldn't be suprised to see Somik shipped off for a low round pick. He's cheap and affordable so he's got that going for him.....that' spretty much it.

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Gagne, Johnsson, and Esche will get WAY more than you are predicting.

2.5 million for Gagne and Johnsson, easy.
Esche will probably get in the neighborhood of 1.75 - 2 million.

No they won't. Things have changed and RFA's will no longer get the big money. Teams had the hammer before and failed to use it. Now that they'll be under a capped system, they MUST use it.

#1. Esche can be qualified for under $600K., and has no recourse other than holding out. He won't get a deal for 3X's his QO.

#2. Gagne can be qualified @ $1.96M & Johnsson @ $2.13M .. neither will get significantly more.

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You know what's a great problem to have? Deciding who of Handzus or Richards should center the 4th line.

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Here's mine.

For realism purposes, I am taking care buyouts and RFA's first, then taking what I have left for UFA'S.

Philadelphia

9,000,000 - 6,840,000 - LeClair
6,500,000 - 4,940,000 - Roenick
5,916,023 - 4,496,177 - Amonte
4,500,000 - 3,420,000 - Primeau
3,100,000 - 2,356,000 - Markov
3,000,000 - 2,280,000 - Desjardins
2,800,000 - 2,128,000 - Handzus
2,300,000 - 1,748,000 - Brashear
2,000,000 - 1,520,000 - Kapanen
2,000,000 - 1,520,000 - Knuble
1,650,000 - 1,254,000 - Stevenson
1,185,000 - 0,900,600 - Pitkanen
0,500,000 - 0,380,000 - Fedoruk

44,451,023 - 33,782,777 - Total

Starting off with 34 million basically:

Subtractions:

-John LeClair 6.84 million 27.16 million

-Tony Amonte 4.496 million 22.664 million

- Donald Brashear 1.748 million 20.916 million

-Eric Desjardins Restructured deal 1.5 million 19.416 million

-Jeremy Roenick Restructured deal 3.5 million 17.976 million

So, after subtractions, we are at a cap level of 17.976 million

Additions:

+Kim Johnsson 2.5 million 20.476 million
+Simon Gagne 2.5 million 22.976 million
+Robert Esche 1.75 million 24.726 million
+Frank Niitymaki 500K 25.226 million
+Dennis Seidenberg 500K 25.726 million
+Patrick Sharp 500K 26.226 million
+Branko Radivojevic 700K 26.926 million
+Jeff Carter 850K 27.776 million
+Mike Richards 850K 28.626 million
+Mattias Timander 600K 29.226 million

So, after all the buyouts are made.
After all the restructuring is finished.
Lastly, after all our RFA'S are signed, we have a grand total of:

29.226 million in salaries.

This allows us 6.7 million to play with in free agency.

5 million goes to Scott Niedermayer
1.7 million goes to Corey Stillman

I think those are are about what Niedermayer and Stillman will get on the open market, and put us right at the cap.

Now, this is heavily assuming JR will take a paycut of 1.4 million.
Desjardins also needs to take a paycut of about 750K.

I am not holding my breath, but I wouldn't be shocked to see either of those guys take paycuts around these numbers.

This is also assuming my numbers on our RFA'S are correct.
I am pretty sure I am at least in the ballpark.

Trades could also factor in here.
Despite all the free agents avaliable, I wouldn't be suprised to see Clarke make a trade or two.

Anyway, that's my team.
Pretty much the same as JFF'S, I just disagree on the salaries a slight bit.

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No they won't. Things have changed and RFA's will no longer get the big money. Teams had the hammer before and failed to use it. Now that they'll be under a capped system, they MUST use it.

#1. Esche can be qualified for under $600K., and has no recourse other than holding out. He won't get a deal for 3X's his QO.

#2. Gagne can be qualified @ $1.96M & Johnsson @ $2.13M .. neither will get significantly more.
Clarke is not going to want to screw around with any of these three guys, especially Johnsson and Gagne.

He will get them locked up long term.

Gagne MIGHT only get 2 million.
I think it will be a bit higher though.
You could be right on this one though.

Johnsson will be paid higher than Markov, who is at 2.4.
He will get at least 2.5 million.

Esche will get at least 1.5 million.

Qualifying offers are great, but you don't want to screw around with three important guys like this.
Get them locked up long term and pay them what they are worth.

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I wouldn't be suprised to see Somik shipped off for a low round pick. He's cheap and affordable so he's got that going for him.....that' spretty much it.
I am pretty sure he is an UFA.

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I'm not 100% sure Brash will be bought out. Once he has a face-to-face with Hitch and the staff, he could be back w/ a re-structured deal. It's better to keep him than to scramble to signsomeone midseason, if/when Fridge gets hurt. We couldn't sign (via FA) a better fighter than Brashear, so why not try and keep him?

My $$ is also on the signings of Stillman and Aucoin. Neidermayer will re-sign w/ NJ.

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No they won't. Things have changed and RFA's will no longer get the big money. Teams had the hammer before and failed to use it. Now that they'll be under a capped system, they MUST use it.

#1. Esche can be qualified for under $600K., and has no recourse other than holding out. He won't get a deal for 3X's his QO.

#2. Gagne can be qualified @ $1.96M & Johnsson @ $2.13M .. neither will get significantly more.
I'm not sure about that. The new CBA will have new restricted free-agency numbers, but Esche is worth a first rounder +. I think he will have plenty of suitors willing to give up 1 or even 2 1st round picks, but with the $1 million the Flyers would be offering in your scenario, he could be had for probably a 1st and a third. Again, I'm assuming that the numbers will be lowered from the old primer.

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What's the repayment for your RFA's signing to another team?

I thought the Capitals were given five first round picks when New Jersey signed Scott Stevens.


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You know what's a great problem to have? Deciding who of Handzus or Richards should center the 4th line.
1st line: Carter
2nd line: Zeus
3rd line: Primeau
4th line: Richards/Sharp

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