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08-21-2013, 05:25 PM
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As always, the health of Darren Helm will be a key for this group and at some point, Holland has to create room to bring back veteran leader Daniel Cleary.
Sounds like Custance speculating more than anything to me.

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Its a nice deal now. But I would have rather given him say like 1.5m a year now to get him in good graces so we don't get hit up the full load in 2 years. If you please a player when they are young you can get a better discount at a prime age contract.

If you nickel and dime them as up and comers they won't give you a discount at all when they are proven commodities. And in all reality what is .5m dollars in this example? It coud save us quite a bit of cash in the long run. Granted the deal isn't bad but say he progresses well and starts to peak somewhere around 60-80 points by contracts end. Take the 5-6.5m going rate for non centers that produce that much now and add cap increases of around 10 million in 2 years. You are looking at around 7m per if he does really well his second year and puts up a respectable year this year (45-55 points).
I feel extremely comfortable saying "Gustav Nyquist will never in his career earn or deserve a $7M caphit."

I know and agree with what you're saying, but it won't ever be that extreme.

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08-21-2013, 06:23 PM
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I know and agree with what you're saying, but it won't ever be that extreme.
Well, I don't agree.

I guess I'm failing to understand how a player would go "Well you gave me and extra $1 million I didn't deserve a few years ago, so I'll just leave several million dollars off my deal this time."

I think it's way more likely to go, "Thanks for the free cash last time, but if you look at comparable around the league, I should make exactly this going into next season. If you can't agree to those terms, another team will."

I don't believe there's any discount, when we're talking millions and millions of dollars, if you overpay a little early in a career.

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$2M from Alfredsson's contract will likely be differed to next season,

Also, we will likely shuffle out another forward or two (may come down to waiving someone, right?)

Emmerton's $533k seems likeliest to go.

Honestly, Id rather them waive Sammy and have him ride the bus. I know it's not Hollands way of doing things, but Emmerton (being an extra center/PKer/cheap) benefits the Wings abit more than an injury prone Sammy. I see Tootoo and Eaves being moved before either Emmerton or Sammy though. Even though I would keep Eaves over all of them.

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08-21-2013, 07:19 PM
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Honestly, Id rather them waive Sammy and have him ride the bus. I know it's not Hollands way of doing things, but Emmerton (being an extra center/PKer/cheap) benefits the Wings abit more than an injury prone Sammy. I see Tootoo and Eaves being moved before either Emmerton or Sammy though. Even though I would keep Eaves over all of them.
Waiving Samuelsson only saves us 100k off the cap.

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08-21-2013, 07:27 PM
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Waiving Samuelsson only saves us 100k off the cap.
Plus I still think Sammy could bring something to the team. We've soured on him because he didn't play, but his time in Florida before joining the Wings was actually pretty good. Not a world beater or anything, but a very solid middle line guy.

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Well, I don't agree.

I guess I'm failing to understand how a player would go "Well you gave me and extra $1 million I didn't deserve a few years ago, so I'll just leave several million dollars off my deal this time."

I think it's way more likely to go, "Thanks for the free cash last time, but if you look at comparable around the league, I should make exactly this going into next season. If you can't agree to those terms, another team will."

I don't believe there's any discount, when we're talking millions and millions of dollars, if you overpay a little early in a career.
I don't think it is QUITE like that, but I would think that if we were a little bit more lenient/ generous and let's say offered Nyquist a 2 year contract worth $1.75M per year, and let him and his agent know that we are giving him a little more than we think he has earned because we expect him to be a big part of the team moving forward, etc. he will likely be more negotiable when this contract is up.

Not saying it is the difference between $15M+ over numerous years in the future, but his next contract will likely be what, something like ~$3-4M for 3 years, or something? Maybe he takes $3M instead of driving hard for $3.75 or $4M, leaving us a little more money to play with in other negotiations (in house or UFA).

I am just basing this off of how I would expect to treat my players/ expect to be treated as a player. Not saying Nyquist will react either way, just that if I was faced with this situation, it is how I would believe it would go. This has more to do with human relationships than hockey, I guess. So I donno. I'm not against Kenny's approach to signings, it saves us a lot of space and alleviates worry in regards to the cap and money we have to move, but I still just worry. Hudler and Flip both left for pay days, and even though I didn't care about them, I might when (if) Nyquist does it.

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Hudler and Flip both left for pay days, and even though I didn't care about them, I might when (if) Nyquist does it.
Fair enough. You could be right.

As for this particular point, it's just as likely if he preforms, Nyquist gets the Franzen treatment.

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Plus I still think Sammy could bring something to the team. We've soured on him because he didn't play, but his time in Florida before joining the Wings was actually pretty good. Not a world beater or anything, but a very solid middle line guy.
He's still a pretty big guy with some grit, and he's still got that shot. I just don't want to see him taking scoring unit icetime away from better offensive players, which is sometimes a thing to worry about under Mike Babcock...

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He's still a pretty big guy with some grit, and he's still got that shot. I just don't want to see him taking scoring unit icetime away from better offensive players, which is sometimes a thing to worry about under Mike Babcock...
Even so, you've got to admit it makes our lines more dangerous. Nyquist getting less minutes sucks, we all agree, but like the playoffs showed the dude was pretty great against other teams lower pairing lines.

Having a lot of 2nd/3rd line dudes isn't optimal, I feel we'd all rather have legitimate 1st line wingers, but it can make headaches for the other team when they want to match lines and defend when a guy like Sammy is on the 3rd line or even Bert on the 4th.

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Eaves and Emmerton are more likely to ride the bus than Sammy is. As Bench said, Sammy can provide something for this team if he plays like he did in Florida. He also has the fabled "right hand shot" going for him as well.

You could argue that Eaves (roughly equal to Miller) and Emmerton (poor man's Andersson) are redundant players anyway.

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Good contract. Can't wait to see how good he will get.

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Waiving Samuelsson only saves us 100k off the cap.

Ahh okay, well then nevermind still havent gotten the new rules straight.

If Sammy was playing on the 4th line I wouldn't mind him staying in the lineup, he could also be used as a powerplay specialist as well. I just don't want him taking anymore time away from Nyquist/Tatar, I feel like they have done enough waiting the past few seasons.

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That's a great deal for us. All that's left now is to get rid of someone and I'll be very happy with this summer.

Also: shut up, sarcastro.

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Plus I still think Sammy could bring something to the team. We've soured on him because he didn't play, but his time in Florida before joining the Wings was actually pretty good. Not a world beater or anything, but a very solid middle line guy.
If he can stay healty he might. He really need to stay healthy this time to be of use, as I think he would have a tough time to keep up the tempo if misses every second game. At his age injuries seriosly can slow you down, and it gets tougher and tougher to get into form.

If he can stay healty, he can mold into the team better, and play his role better.

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Eaves and Emmerton are more likely to ride the bus than Sammy is. As Bench said, Sammy can provide something for this team if he plays like he did in Florida. He also has the fabled "right hand shot" going for him as well.

You could argue that Eaves (roughly equal to Miller) and Emmerton (poor man's Andersson) are redundant players anyway.
I would not count Emmerton out. Redundant centers are always more valuable than redundant wingers.

Also, when finalizing the roster, if we get rid of bigger caphits and keep that league-low(?) Emmerton caphit, it gives us more room and pushes less Alfie's bonuses to next season. Keeping Emmerton helps the team also that way.

My prediction for what will happen is that we waive/trade Eaves and one long-term injury saves Tootoo from same destiny.

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And icing on the cake, Nyquist got his puck back!
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The Wings have done a very nice job of scattering all these FA contracts so they don't expire at the same time.

2014 FAs:
Alfredsson (retire or retain)
Sammy (buh bye)
Bert (buh bye)
Eaves (probably buh bye if he's still around by then)
Tatar (RFA, re-sign)
Emmerton (RFA, buh bye if he's still around)
Q (buh bye)
Ericsson (they'll probably re-sign him)
DeKeyser (RFA, re-sign)
Monster (buh bye)

Lots of dead weight coming off the books next summer, and only two UFAs worth signing.

2015 FAs:
Tootoo (buh bye if he's still around)
Nyquist (RFA, re-sign)
Andersson (RFA, re-sign)
Smith (RFA, I say buh bye if he's still playing like crap)

2016 FAs:
Helm (re-sign unless he retires from back trouble)
Abdelkader (on the fence, not looking like a priority though)
Miller (on the fence, not a priority)
Lashoff (RFA, re-sign him if he looks decent as a cheap 6/7 guy)

Ericsson and DeKeyser probably both get raises next summer but otherwise they have a big chunk of cap room and no worries about having to spend it on their own young talent for several years. That means they should be major players in the UFA market the next two summers, probably targeting a scoring winger and a top pair D.

Some big names on the 2014 UFA market (this list will shrink by then, but for now anyway) are Phaneuf, Markov, Hjalmarsson, Seidenberg, Gaborik, Vanek (probably headed to Minny), Marleau, Kessel, Pominville, and for giggles, the Sedins (they're not going anywhere either though).

They may not land any of those guys, but at least they have set themselves up so that they can make competitive offers if they see a top-end guy that they want to bring in.

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They may not land any of those guys, but at least they have set themselves up so that they can make competitive offers if they see a top-end guy that they want to bring in.
The cap situation moving forward is really positive. Lots of flexibility and the core players (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Howard, Weiss, and Franzen) are all signed to relatively friendly deals. So there's room to either promote the kids getting folded in or land a significant free agent, as you said.

The only iffy long-term deal is Franzen's, but I still think that contract is a few years away from becoming a thorn. As of now, he's still producing at a clip in relation to his cap hit and ice time, so there's no complaints thus far.

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The Wings have done a very nice job of scattering all these FA contracts so they don't expire at the same time.

2014 FAs:
Alfredsson (retire or retain)
Sammy (buh bye)
Bert (buh bye)
Eaves (probably buh bye if he's still around by then)
Tatar (RFA, re-sign)
Emmerton (RFA, buh bye if he's still around)
Q (buh bye)
Ericsson (they'll probably re-sign him)
DeKeyser (RFA, re-sign)
Monster (buh bye)

Lots of dead weight coming off the books next summer, and only two UFAs worth signing.

2015 FAs:
Tootoo (buh bye if he's still around)
Nyquist (RFA, re-sign)
Andersson (RFA, re-sign)
Smith (RFA, I say buh bye if he's still playing like crap)

2016 FAs:
Helm (re-sign unless he retires from back trouble)
Abdelkader (on the fence, not looking like a priority though)
Miller (on the fence, not a priority)
Lashoff (RFA, re-sign him if he looks decent as a cheap 6/7 guy)

Ericsson and DeKeyser probably both get raises next summer but otherwise they have a big chunk of cap room and no worries about having to spend it on their own young talent for several years. That means they should be major players in the UFA market the next two summers, probably targeting a scoring winger and a top pair D.

Some big names on the 2014 UFA market (this list will shrink by then, but for now anyway) are Phaneuf, Markov, Hjalmarsson, Seidenberg, Gaborik, Vanek (probably headed to Minny), Marleau, Kessel, Pominville, and for giggles, the Sedins (they're not going anywhere either though).

They may not land any of those guys, but at least they have set themselves up so that they can make competitive offers if they see a top-end guy that they want to bring in.
I think Kessel could be a possibility if we got the cap space and he's on the market.

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I think Kessel could be a possibility if we got the cap space and he's on the market.
He'd be a dream to pair with Zetterberg or Weiss.

This team is a player like him away from being a solid contender again.

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He'd be a dream to pair with Zetterberg or Weiss.

This team is a player like him away from being a solid contender again.
I'm sure I'll get a better read on Kessel now that he's in the division, but he strikes me as a not-at-all-clutch kind of player. I remember him getting a lot of flak for playing too much perimeter hockey in the playoff series this year. I also think Toronto will overpay him on a megadeal so he probably won't be available.

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He'd be a dream to pair with Zetterberg or Weiss.

This team is a player like him away from being a solid contender again.
Adding Kess would be amazing. I'm having trouble even coming up with line combo's if he was added to the fold.

Kess-Datsyuk-Z
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I'm sure I'll get a better read on Kessel now that he's in the division, but he strikes me as a not-at-all-clutch kind of player. I remember him getting a lot of flak for playing too much perimeter hockey in the playoff series this year. I also think Toronto will overpay him on a megadeal so he probably won't be available.
Hard to say. He hasn't had a lot of opportunities to shine in big games at the NHL level. Only 22 playoff games, but he as 21 points in them (13 goals). Perimeter or not, he gets the job done scoring. We've got enough two-way guys to make up for somebody who has one goal - find the damn net.

But agreed, the only way he leaves Toronto is if he wants to leave. They'll pay him his money. You don't hand out the price they paid and have nothing to show for it after a few years.

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