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03-24-2014, 03:13 AM
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worst players with 1000+ games

recently i heard how player x had played 1000 games. i can't remember who it was but he was someone with very mediocre NHL career besides the games he had played.

don't get me wrong it is a great accomplishment to play in the best league for ~13 seasons, but who are the 1000 game players that really never were that good but managed to stay in the league long enough to get to the 1000 game club

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03-24-2014, 03:39 AM
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Probably Kenneth Daneyko and Craig Ludwig...

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Tie Domi or Donald Brashear

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Probably Kenneth Daneyko and Craig Ludwig...
maybe statiscally they are near the worst, but Daneyko especially was a great shut down defenceman. and if i remember correctly Ludwig was a okay player too.

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Daneyko was a +80 in his NHL career, that's hardly a bad player.

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03-24-2014, 05:21 AM
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What about Craig Berube? 159 Points in 1,054 Games...

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Daneyko was a +80 in his NHL career, that's hardly a bad player.
Yeah, he has his jersey retired. He was a solid player.

Ludwig was an excellent utility defenseman who was world class at shot blocking and was a key part of two Cup teams, I wouldn't include him either.

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berube and brashear are great ones, but I wouldn't include Domi I think he was pretty damn good in what he did.

i thought many would say enforcers, but they did have their place in the league, so maybe i wouldn't include enforcers unless they we're awful fighters.


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Jay Wells sucked something fierce, as did Paul Ranheim most of the time.

It should be said that 1000 games, while a nice round number, only takes 13 more or less healthy seasons to reach, in reality 13-14. So even if a player dont reach the NHL until he is 21, he will still be able reach it anywhere from age 33 to 34. Good players play longer than that, but bad players while at their physical peak can do it with some luck.


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Jay Wells sucked something fierce, as did Paul Ranheim most of the time.

It should be said that 1000 games, while a nice round number, only takes 13 more or less healthy seasons to reach, in reality 13-14. So even if a player dont reach the NHL until he is 21, he will still be able reach it anywhere from age 33 to 34. Good players play longer than that, but bad players while at their physical peak can do it with some luck.
Interesting. Here is a website that shows average career length at each position:

http://www.quanthockey.com/Distribut...erLengthGP.php

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Interesting. Folks like Wells and Ranheim also played for several tams in an era that featured regular expansion. So I think their careers were prolonged because having NHL experience was desirable or at least a very strong requirement.

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I'm a bit stunned that Brad May had a 1000 games. So yeah, him. Cheapshot artist, dirty player. But he's a "warrior", so it's OK.

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What about Mike Grier?

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Luke Richardson played over 1,400 games in the NHL.

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daneyko was a very good defensive defenseman, and ludwig was even better in that role. so yeah, absolutely not either of those guys.

domi was excellent at his role, as was brashear. berube was good, but not at the domi/brashear level.

even mike grier was a good third line grinder. he wasn't elite at it by any stretch, but he was good. same with a guy like ian laperriere-- a useful player to have.

i think the worst players that hit 1,000+ games are probably sub-average role players. the kind that catch on with bad teams and get dumped when those teams improve. paul ranheim is a good call, though i do remember him being pretty decent on the PK. others might include: marc bergevin and grant ledyard. on the surface, they might look similar to harry snepsts or brad marsh, but you'd never have traded a prime snepsts or marsh (solid number 4 d-men) for bergevin or ledyard. and i think you'd probably also rather have domi or brashear, even berube, than bergevin or ledyard. those guys were straight plugs.

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Among skaters? Craig Berube.

Among goalies? Martin Brodeur.

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Grant Ledyard and Brad May come to mind. Harold Snepsts? But stay at home guys have some value to them of course, but did Donald Brashear? Hard to believe he played that many games. Definitely a feared fighter at one time but he bounced around a whole lot and is one of the few players in NHL history that can get whacked in the head with a stick and STILL come out looking like the villain. If you want to get an idea of how hated he was.

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Hal Gill and Tom Fitzgerald

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Looking over the list of 288 players, names like Berube, Bergevin, Brashear, and Buchberger stand out. I'm sure there's another 'B' I missed.

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Interesting. Here is a website that shows average career length at each position:

http://www.quanthockey.com/Distribut...erLengthGP.php
Yeah okey so i have not played 1000 games in the NHL. But Derek Morris and Todd Gill has.

What i'm trying to say is that 1000 games in many more recent eras is not really a mark of excellence, which 1000 points might be, but even there we have some compilers(although comparatively better) that has no chance at the Hall of Fame.

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Yeah okey so i have not played 1000 games in the NHL. But Derek Morris and Todd Gill has.

What i'm trying to say is that 1000 games in many more recent eras is not really a mark of excellence, which 1000 points might be, but even there we have some compilers(although comparatively better) that has no chance at the Hall of Fame.
Just providing you some info. No need to explain or justify.

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just to address a few names that have come up:

tim hunter was a fourth line enforcer/energy guy on two finals teams, winning one cup. not a glamorous role, and definitely he wasn't the most skilled guy, but he played that role well.

tom fitzgerald was a really good third line center, playing a big role on the cinderella '93 isles that upset the pens, and the '96 panthers. he doesn't belong at all.

hal gill is decent as a bottom pair guy, and a 20 minute d-man on back-to-back finalists, winning one cup.

kelly buchberger was a valuable penalty killer at the tail end of the oilers dynasty.

i think as far as role players go, those guys have value. whereas guys who were objectively better players but who always seemed to be traded from teams on the cusp of doing something (grant ledyard, marc bergevin) are worse. like how brad may might have been a more talented player than kelly buchberger, but he may also have been a worse player given that more often than not he was a decent third liner on a bad team, while buchberger had proven himself to be a good fourth liner on some really good teams.

guys like brad may, they're just filling a hole in your lineup until you find something better. guys like buchberger, timmy hunter, definitely tom fitzgerald you'd keep when you turn a corner.


and re: blogofmike's astute observation above, i think one day roberto luongo will be the worst goalie with 1000+ games, and he's probably hold that title for a long long time.

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Looking at the list, Harold Snepsts

Sorry Vancouver fans but that guy looked like he was skating in mud

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Looking at the list, Harold Snepsts
Snepsts was a very good defensive defenseman.

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