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02-18-2014, 09:16 AM
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PK Subban “risky” or untrustworthy in defence, not according to this report

PK Subban “risky” or untrustworthy in defence, not according to this report:

Link: http://canucksarmy.com/2014/2/17/the...ly-exaggerated

We should not forget, he was the Norris trophy winner last year even though missing the start of the season ...

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Hard to even care anymore, anyone who watches him play every game can see the guy is dominant at both ends of the ice and its just a joke that he can't even be a 7th defenseman over Hamhuis.

The best part about PK is his work ethic, he's just going to work harder and get even better and keep proving people wrong once he comes back.

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Really nice article. People who **** on Subban dont watch him play and think hes Karlsson,Letang,Greene risky.

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Seems that Babcock doesn't like him or thinks that he doesn't fit in the team he builded with Yzerman and cie. Same for St-Louis.

Doesn't mean he isn't better than Hamhuis.

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Hard to even care anymore, anyone who watches him play every game can see the guy is dominant at both ends of the ice and its just a joke that he can't even be a 7th defenseman over Hamhuis.

The best part about PK is his work ethic, he's just going to work harder and get even better and keep proving people wrong once he comes back.
Good post. Really just wish Therrien n Bergevin didn't have this dumbass discriminatory policy about how hockey should be played. Don't get me wrong they are discriminating his personality n swagger not because he's black (that's a while different debate) but pk's swagger and personality is what makes him sooooo good.

Ironically berg n Michel want passion from players yet they try to neuter our most passionate player

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if PK was white people would be saying he's the best D in the league.

He may be a little too overconfident/cocky at times and the holdout thing didn't help...but let's be honest, here.

Hamuis? haha

And PK is better than Drew Doughty...sorry

btw I'm a Ranger fan

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Hard to even care anymore, anyone who watches him play every game can see the guy is dominant at both ends of the ice and its just a joke that he can't even be a 7th defenseman over Hamhuis.

The best part about PK is his work ethic, he's just going to work harder and get even better and keep proving people wrong once he comes back.
Couldn´t have said it better!

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if PK was white people would be saying he's the best D in the league.

He may be a little too overconfident/cocky at times and the holdout thing didn't help...but let's be honest, here.

Hamuis? haha

And PK is better than Drew Doughty...sorry

btw I'm a Ranger fan
Better than PK (Drew Doughty), maybe, better than the rest for sure. Imagine only having both of them in the same team !!!!

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and he did it with gorges lol.

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Dynamic ≠ Risky

I would love to see the Habs record without Subban. I'm sure it wouldn't be worse.

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Hadn't seen this thread, posted the link in the 'TEAM CANADA/OLYMPICS' thread

Great read.

This is all Babcock's fault. Tying to find chemistry between players



#FreeSubban

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I like the conclusion of this report:

First of all, there are no bad players on Team Canada. Every single one of these players has elite strengths, and I could only really see an argument that Jay Bouwmeester doesn't belong on the team. That being said, the evidence points to P.K. Subban being Canada's best offensive weapon from the blueline, and probably the second best defender behind Alex Pietrangelo too.

The argument that he's "risky" or untrustworthy is fueled mainly by biases and misconceptions about what "good defense" is. When Subban is on the ice, he's more likely to get a chance to score the next goal than he is to give it up, which is basically all that matters in this discussion.

At the end of the day, the drop off in defensive ability from Subban to Keith is marginal in small samples, as is the drop-off in offensive ability between Subban and Bouwmeester. We're talking like maybe one shot per game. This adds up over a long season, but keeping Subban out of the lineup isn't going to make-or-break Canada's chances to win the gold medal.

With that in mind, it's still reasonable to say that scratching Subban is poor decision making, as you're incurring the opportunity cost of not having a super-elite blueliner in your lineup, instead replacing him with a good-to-very-good one. And in doing that, Mike Babcock and Lindy Ruff are incurring more risk of losing a tight game than P.K. Subban has ever carried.

You can get on the coaching staff for not icing the best lineup possible while still liking the team's chances to win it all, because.. CANADA!

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Is PK the most popular athlete in Montreal?

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The ONLY thing in PK's game that is unsettling is his propensity to take bonehead penalties. Other than that, he's an elite star in every aspect of the position.

Keep in mind that things he's not elite in are cancelled out by his ability to control the play and remove those aspects from the equation (shot blocking for example)

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Is PK the most popular athlete in Montreal?
Not really adding much to the topic but I'd say yes he is the most popular/controversial athlete in MTL, thanks to the media who, for some reasons, like to make up false stuffs about him and creates drama with anything.


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I don't know about you, fellow HF Habs fans, but when PK is on the ice the last thing that crosses my mind is the fear of seeing him make a bad defensive or risky play... that just happen as much to PK than any other D-men in the league, if not least.

But of course my argument isn't valid because I watch the games.

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Is PK the most popular athlete in Montreal?
PK and Price.

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PK makes defensive errors sometimes - all great players do - but when PK does, his haters go "A-HA! I told you!". It's confirmation bias. He's not actually worse in his own end than any other TC defenseman and the numbers support this. Why won't this myth die already.

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Not really adding much to the topic but I'd say yes he is the most popular/controversial athlete in MTL, thanks to the media who, for some reasons, like to make up false stuffs about him and creates drama with anything.
If it were an other player, that player would have cracked up, but not him, that´s why he´s special . Bergevin sign him and fast, he´s the main event at the Bell Center ...

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PK makes defensive errors sometimes - all great players do - but when PK does, his haters go "A-HA! I told you!". It's confirmation bias. He's not actually worse in his own end than any other TC defenseman and the numbers support this. Why won't this myth die already.
tbf we do the same thing to Erik Karlsson.

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tbf we do the same thing to Erik Karlsson.
because its true. but karlsson is like a 4th forward out there hes extremely good offensively.

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because its true. but karlsson is like a 4th forward out there hes extremely good offensively.
And yet he gets more defensive responsibility and overall rope than Subban who is a much better defensive player. I think Therrien and Daignault, along with the media are to blame with this ridiculous fallacy going around about his defensive game and it's too bad that his own coaches can't even get behind him.

#FireTherrien

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if PK was white people would be saying he's the best D in the league.

He may be a little too overconfident/cocky at times and the holdout thing didn't help...but let's be honest, here.

Hamuis? haha

And PK is better than Drew Doughty...sorry

btw I'm a Ranger fan
Ha, ha, ha good one. LOL

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PK makes defensive errors sometimes - all great players do - but when PK does, his haters go "A-HA! I told you!". It's confirmation bias. He's not actually worse in his own end than any other TC defenseman and the numbers support this. Why won't this myth die already.
The media in sports (and especially hockey in Canada) is filled with failed reporters who couldn't cut it in the world of real journalism (Francois Gagnon comes to mind) or failed hockey players who know nothing about Journalism (most fan favorites whom got hit in the head a few too many times... list is way to long for examples). An in so we have that reality TV attitude with gotcha journalism that just makes a mockery of the world of hockey.

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