HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Ottawa Senators
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Pageau is our David Desharnais

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
08-26-2013, 03:12 PM
  #26
SpezDispenser
Registered User
 
SpezDispenser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 14,281
vCash: 500
I don't see it either. DD is small and plays small, Pageau is small, but plays big. Also, Pageau's shot is better and he appears to have a better hockey sense.

We'll know soon enough what's what, but I think Pageau is a better player personally.

SpezDispenser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 03:16 PM
  #27
Topside
Registered User
 
Topside's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,178
vCash: 500
Why would OP say such a horrible thing about Pageau? Not fair to the young guy to judge him so poorly, so early.

Topside is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 03:20 PM
  #28
newerabegins
Registered User
 
newerabegins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,554
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
Agreed, except that Ottawa doesn't have any of those guys, we have Pageau, Conacher, Da Costa, Petersson, Prince, Hoffman, Filatov, Condra etc... & we're not sure if any of them will ever turn into "those guys". If we had Patrick Kane or Martin St Louis then it would be a different story because those guys contribute significantly & consistently. Do any of our small players have that kind of potential besides Karlsson? It will be interesting to see how some of these guys do this yr & whether they can be successful at this level.
Petersson and Filatov aren't worth mentioning anymore.

Da Costa and Hoffman have their last chance to prove themselves and stick this season.

That leaves Conacher, Pageau, Prince, Condra.

Condra has found his role on the team. Might be at least a few years before he's gone, if he does go.

IMO, only two of Pageau, Conacher, Prince will be kept. Maybe even one.

That leaves only three(maybe two) players out of all those players you listed, unless one of Da Costa or Hoffman really come out on fire this season. Even so, those two aren't small(5'11).

newerabegins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 03:20 PM
  #29
danishh
Dat Stache
 
danishh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: mtl/ott/somewhere
Country: Canada
Posts: 29,654
vCash: 50
pags is not soff.

but i still think he'll start in bingo.

__________________
RIP Kev.
danishh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 04:08 PM
  #30
MAK19
FreeWierciochBanAndy
 
MAK19's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Madrid
Posts: 13,298
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
Agreed, except that Ottawa doesn't have any of those guys, we have Pageau, Conacher, Da Costa, Petersson, Prince, Hoffman, Filatov, Condra etc... & we're not sure if any of them will ever turn into "those guys". If we had Patrick Kane or Martin St Louis then it would be a different story because those guys contribute significantly & consistently. Do any of our small players have that kind of potential besides Karlsson? It will be interesting to see how some of these guys do this yr & whether they can be successful at this level.
They don't need to be Patrick Kane or MSL. If Conacher is a 50 point player in the regular season, then he needs to stay around that range in the playoffs. All I ask is that they don't disappear.


Also, the point is, even big, physical, strong players disappear or have worse performances in the playoffs. Whether it's chocking (Thornton) or trying to play too physical (Subban).


All that matters is that you're still capable of playing your game. It doesn't matter whether your game revolves around skill or physicality. Some of the best playoff performers aren't physical players.

MAK19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 04:54 PM
  #31
MXD
Registered User
 
MXD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 20,611
vCash: 500
Habs fan AND Olympiques fan.

As I said on the Habs board, Pageau played A LOT like Tomas Plekanec in the juniors. Mainly because he was really shifty and agile - but he used that speed quite well to create chances offensively and to disrupt plays defensively. While some players relied on their pure skills, Pageau was all hustle/intelligence. Sure - wouldn't have gotten where he is without skills, but the skills weren't his calling card. The same can be said for Tomas Plekanec nowadays.

Also, there were many similarities in that both were never-say-die players, all the while having a somewhat non-existent physical game (explanation -- they would go in corners, but not base their game around boardplay; in fact, considering their style, both players should probably remain as far as possible from the boards, as it's not where they're the most useful). Pageau never gave up on plays, which is more than I can say for, say, his former teammate Émile Poirier, just drafted by Calgary.

Of course, Poirier was a first rounder, is bigger, and has absolutely sick wheels considering how awkward his skating stride is. But it's a shame that he has been picked 70 ranks or so before Pageau was (in his draft year), especially since he was somewhat labelled as a 2-way threat.

Pageau was a 2-way threat. He is still one IMO at NHL level (but not a top-line... not at this point though). Poirier is a great SH goal threat, That's it.

Pageau isn't similar at all to Desharnais; Desharnais has skills that Pageau will absolutely never have (passing... but then again, Pageau could surprise), and, oddly as it seems, Desharnais is still probably more well-suited for board play (even though he was a total disaster against Ottawa in the playoffs in that regard). This said, as far as anticipation, hustling and game approach is concerned, big advantage Pageau. Oh, and he has quite a better shot as well.

MXD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 09:00 PM
  #32
Carrie Underwood
Registered User
 
Carrie Underwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,095
vCash: 500
Pageau reminds me more of Briere than DD

Carrie Underwood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 09:08 PM
  #33
Benny FTW
Head Light Fluid
 
Benny FTW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,003
vCash: 137
Quote:
Originally Posted by MXD View Post
Habs fan AND Olympiques fan.

As I said on the Habs board, Pageau played A LOT like Tomas Plekanec in the juniors. Mainly because he was really shifty and agile - but he used that speed quite well to create chances offensively and to disrupt plays defensively. While some players relied on their pure skills, Pageau was all hustle/intelligence. Sure - wouldn't have gotten where he is without skills, but the skills weren't his calling card. The same can be said for Tomas Plekanec nowadays.

Also, there were many similarities in that both were never-say-die players, all the while having a somewhat non-existent physical game (explanation -- they would go in corners, but not base their game around boardplay; in fact, considering their style, both players should probably remain as far as possible from the boards, as it's not where they're the most useful). Pageau never gave up on plays, which is more than I can say for, say, his former teammate Émile Poirier, just drafted by Calgary.

Of course, Poirier was a first rounder, is bigger, and has absolutely sick wheels considering how awkward his skating stride is. But it's a shame that he has been picked 70 ranks or so before Pageau was (in his draft year), especially since he was somewhat labelled as a 2-way threat.

Pageau was a 2-way threat. He is still one IMO at NHL level (but not a top-line... not at this point though). Poirier is a great SH goal threat, That's it.

Pageau isn't similar at all to Desharnais; Desharnais has skills that Pageau will absolutely never have (passing... but then again, Pageau could surprise), and, oddly as it seems, Desharnais is still probably more well-suited for board play (even though he was a total disaster against Ottawa in the playoffs in that regard). This said, as far as anticipation, hustling and game approach is concerned, big advantage Pageau. Oh, and he has quite a better shot as well.
Great post.

Benny FTW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 10:38 PM
  #34
MXD
Registered User
 
MXD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 20,611
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrie Underwood View Post
Pageau reminds me more of Briere than DD
He's indeed closer to Briere than to DD.

MXD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-26-2013, 10:43 PM
  #35
HavlatMach9
Registered User
 
HavlatMach9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,545
vCash: 500
You know how you wish a player comes out of the system and score those big goals. Pageau was that person in the playoffs. It was awesome.

I Pageau is anything like Briere, that'd be wicked. Pageau was our Gallagher, small but wicked.

HavlatMach9 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
08-27-2013, 08:50 AM
  #36
bert
Registered User
 
bert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,221
vCash: 500
I dont think they are similar at all, Desharnais has better offensive instincts. However Pageau is more explosive, taller, faster and is much better on the defensive side of the puck. He is not a liability on the ice against big teams or when the team is defending and playing with a lead, infact he seems to thrive in those situations. Desharnais is the kindof player that has to play in a top 6 but always leaves you wanting more. You dont win championships with a Descharnais because the player in his role has to be better then he is capable of playing. Pageau can play a different role on a championship level team. He doesn't shy away from contact or traffic. I think he is closer to a Chris Draper, John Madden, Guy Charbonneau type of player then a small elite scorer. (I dont think he is going to be that good but in that mold)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MXD View Post
Habs fan AND Olympiques fan.

As I said on the Habs board, Pageau played A LOT like Tomas Plekanec in the juniors. Mainly because he was really shifty and agile - but he used that speed quite well to create chances offensively and to disrupt plays defensively. While some players relied on their pure skills, Pageau was all hustle/intelligence. Sure - wouldn't have gotten where he is without skills, but the skills weren't his calling card. The same can be said for Tomas Plekanec nowadays.

Also, there were many similarities in that both were never-say-die players, all the while having a somewhat non-existent physical game (explanation -- they would go in corners, but not base their game around boardplay; in fact, considering their style, both players should probably remain as far as possible from the boards, as it's not where they're the most useful). Pageau never gave up on plays, which is more than I can say for, say, his former teammate Émile Poirier, just drafted by Calgary.

Of course, Poirier was a first rounder, is bigger, and has absolutely sick wheels considering how awkward his skating stride is. But it's a shame that he has been picked 70 ranks or so before Pageau was (in his draft year), especially since he was somewhat labelled as a 2-way threat.

Pageau was a 2-way threat. He is still one IMO at NHL level (but not a top-line... not at this point though). Poirier is a great SH goal threat, That's it.

Pageau isn't similar at all to Desharnais; Desharnais has skills that Pageau will absolutely never have (passing... but then again, Pageau could surprise), and, oddly as it seems, Desharnais is still probably more well-suited for board play (even though he was a total disaster against Ottawa in the playoffs in that regard). This said, as far as anticipation, hustling and game approach is concerned, big advantage Pageau. Oh, and he has quite a better shot as well.
Explained it better then I ever could have.


Last edited by bert: 08-27-2013 at 09:01 AM.
bert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-27-2013, 06:17 PM
  #37
SensTopLine
Registered User
 
SensTopLine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Quebec (Province of)
Country: Canada
Posts: 90
vCash: 500
Forget that, he's our Gallagher.

SensTopLine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-28-2013, 09:27 AM
  #38
bert
Registered User
 
bert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,221
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SensTopLine View Post
Forget that, he's our Gallagher.
No that's Conacher.

bert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-28-2013, 10:54 AM
  #39
zeddyp
Registered User
 
zeddyp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 165
vCash: 500
can pageau just be our pageau?

zeddyp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-28-2013, 05:06 PM
  #40
aragorn
YES WE CAN
 
aragorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Country: Azores
Posts: 10,852
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReginKarlssonLehner View Post
Pageau is way more physical and much better defensively. Pageau has more intensity to his game.
That's what I used to say about Fisher over Spezza.

aragorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-28-2013, 05:09 PM
  #41
Mika Zibanejad
Free the Oppressed
 
Mika Zibanejad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Palestine
Country: Palestine
Posts: 3,523
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeddyp View Post
can pageau just be our pageau?
no hes going to be our Art Ross Prime Martin St,Louis and nothing else, worst case scenario a prime Danny Briere

Mika Zibanejad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2013, 11:01 AM
  #42
Cowen4Captain
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: NB
Country: Canada
Posts: 3
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeddyp View Post
can pageau just be our pageau?
This. How about we let him be JGP for now and in a decade we can compare kids to him.

Regardless of where here falls in the spectrum: Hart Winner - Flash in the Pan. We need to remember that he helped galvanize the Sens fan base. He was the reason Sens fans stood up and told Habs fans once and for all..."Take your Ole chant home".

Cowen4Captain is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:51 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.