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04-13-2014, 11:10 PM
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What would make this offseason a success?

Now that we have fallen from nearly a top 5 pick to drafting 12/13th means a highly unlikely chance we get a player that can make a difference any time next year. With the UFA market looking bleak with Vanek likely to sign in Minnesota and Stasny unlikely to sign here, and the possibility of Fisher retiring, what would make a successful offseason to you and make you look forward to next season?

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04-13-2014, 11:12 PM
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Don't draft another Austin Watson please. Actually draft a forward who is gifted offensively.

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04-13-2014, 11:21 PM
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Well since Smith has been scoring alot lately and leads the team in goals at the moment, we can maybe put him on the first line w/ more playing time and see how that goes.

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04-13-2014, 11:23 PM
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If he isn't able to manage the long minutes though or playing against the opponent's top lines, we can always go back to the Hornvist/Fisher/Cullen line for next year.

Still think we need to go get another 20 or 30 goal scorer though this off season.

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04-13-2014, 11:38 PM
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Poile needs to retire and we need to revamp our Canadian scouting and find a true goal scorer, not 3rd line plugs.

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04-14-2014, 07:09 AM
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I'm not real sure its something that happens but I would like for us to go after a top 6 forward, not talking Crosby here, but someone who plays a solid game and can get us 25-30. Wouldn't mind seeing Hutton resigned, unless they are concerned about Rinne and opt to get someone that can handle things if things go south.

Defense wise we are ok, just need to figure out either what to do with MDZ or how to fill that spot. Not overly worried about it, but it is something lingering.

I think we need to probably move some pieces around, but I'm not sure we need a massive overhaul, definitely would put Wilson, Stalberg, and anyone else that underperformed that this season they are playing for a job. If they stink, they will be gotten rid of one way or another.

Really I think we need what we have always needed, either someone to step up and play the way they were drafted to play, or to get someone else that can.

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04-14-2014, 07:30 AM
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Poile needs to retire and we need to revamp our Canadian scouting and find a true goal scorer, not 3rd line plugs.
The only way to get legitimate goal scoring talent Is to suck really bad or how someone drops in the draft

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04-14-2014, 07:46 AM
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Lots of great offensive players were not top 5 picks. On the flip side, a lot of average offensive players were top 5 picks.

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Lots of great offensive players were not top 5 picks. On the flip side, a lot of average offensive players were top 5 picks.
Unfortunately, the "let's find diamond's in the rough" strategy works about as well as building a retirement portfolio consisting of scratch-off lottery tickets.

You might hit the jackpot, but the odds are against you.

Honestly, while it was fun to beat the Sharks, Hawks, and Wild in meaningless games - 3 losses would have given us #6 and a good shot at DalColle/DD. Guys projected at 12 include everyone's favorite defenseman Hadyn Fleury, Jared McCann, and Adrien Kempe. No sure things and certainly no help anytime soon.

There's not much help in the UFA period.

I'd be very surprised if this team looked much different next October than it does today.

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04-14-2014, 09:22 AM
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The only way to get legitimate goal scoring talent Is to suck really bad or how someone drops in the draft
Detroit waving it's arms saying nuh huh...

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04-14-2014, 10:10 AM
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Unfortunately, the "let's find diamond's in the rough" strategy works about as well as building a retirement portfolio consisting of scratch-off lottery tickets.

You might hit the jackpot, but the odds are against you.

Honestly, while it was fun to beat the Sharks, Hawks, and Wild in meaningless games - 3 losses would have given us #6 and a good shot at DalColle/DD. Guys projected at 12 include everyone's favorite defenseman Hadyn Fleury, Jared McCann, and Adrien Kempe. No sure things and certainly no help anytime soon.

There's not much help in the UFA period.

I'd be very surprised if this team looked much different next October than it does today.
Top 5 point scorers this season.

Crosby, 1st overall
Getzlaf 19th overall
Giroux 28th overall
Seguin 2nd overall
Perry 28th overall

Here are all the forwards drafted at the 11 spot since we've been in the league. Not exactly horrible odds.



11 Washington Filip Forsberg C Leksands IF [Swe-1] 18 1 5 6 4

11 Chicago Kyle Beach L Everett Silvertips [WHL]

11 Carolina Brandon Sutter C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 415 77 75 152

11 Los Angeles Anze Kopitar C Sodertalje Jrs [Sweden] 604 202 344 546

11 Los Angeles Lauri Tukonen

11 Philadelphia Jeff Carter C Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds [OHL] 636 255 205 460

11 Phoenix Fredrik Sjostrom R Vastra Frolunda HC [SEL] 489 46 58 104

11 Calgary Oleg Saprykin L Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] 325 55 82 137

11 Carolina Jeff Heerema R Sarnia Sting [OHL] 32 4 2 6 6


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04-14-2014, 10:18 AM
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What would make this offseason a success is if we can finally convince a good offensive player to sign here. I have to say this every summer, but it's not as simple as snapping your fingers and Poile gets anyone he decides he wants. A player has to commit here, while turning down other teams in the process. We aren't a desirable destination right now and when guys ask people they know around the league what they know/think about the Predators, the response probably isn't great. At least not these days. Trotz also is probably one of the last coaches any skilled forward would want to play for.

Why else are we signing guys like Nystrom, Hendricks and Cullen? No one better wants to be here.

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04-14-2014, 12:38 PM
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The only way to get legitimate hyped up goal scoring talent Is to suck really bad or how someone drops in the draft
Fixed it for you. Legitimate goalscoring talent is available in the later rounds; it's just harder to come by. While that sort of talent is certainly the easiest to come by with early draft picks, it's no guarantee, and it's certainly not the "only way".

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Unfortunately, the "let's find diamond's in the rough" strategy works about as well as building a retirement portfolio consisting of scratch-off lottery tickets.

You might hit the jackpot, but the odds are against you.
Actually, the ability to find later-round talent in the draft is unquestionably vital in building a competitive team. That was about 40-50% of the cause of Jackets suck in the early days, and it's also killing Edmonton.

Historically, the Preds have done okay in that regard. (Bloody fantastic on defense, but not nearly as good at forward.)

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Success? Getting a new GM. Not hiring a coach from within.

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Actually, the ability to find later-round talent in the draft is unquestionably vital in building a competitive team. That was about 40-50% of the cause of Jackets suck in the early days, and it's also killing Edmonton.

Historically, the Preds have done okay in that regard. (Bloody fantastic on defense, but not nearly as good at forward.)
Don't disagree with you on this, but just with the line of thinking that it really doesn't matter where you draft because there's great players everywhere.

It's much tougher and less likely to find a dynamic player the farther down you draft. Not impossible, but just not as likely. I'll take the # 5 pick and you can have the #20 pick and odds are, after a long enough time period - i'll have more successful picks than you will.

But this is a discussion we've already had.

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Don't disagree with you on this, but just with the line of thinking that it really doesn't matter where you draft because there's great players everywhere.
I submit that while it's not completely meaningless, it's not nearly as overwhelmingly necessary as the Tank Nation crowds would have you believe.

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