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08-30-2013, 12:00 PM
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Big trade between Squirtle Squad and Jammin Jellies to announce


To Jammin Jellies:

Patrick Marleau
Joe Thornton
13th Round pick in NHL draft next year


To Squirtle Squad

Ryan Kesler,
Alex Steen Steen,
1st in prospect draft
2nd in prospect draft
3rd in prospect draft
Next years 10th in NHL draft
Congrats Squirtle Squad on winning this trade lol.

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Robin Lehner is a prospect for Fluffy Pink Ponies! Pick again!

Available goalies:

Ben Scrivens
Dan Ellis
Jean-Sebastian Giguere
Joey MacDonald
Johan Hedberg
Nikolai Khabibulin

According to my list.

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08-30-2013, 12:33 PM
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Big trade between Squirtle Squad and Jammin Jellies to announce


To Jammin Jellies:

Patrick Marleau
Joe Thornton
13th Round pick in NHL draft next year


To Squirtle Squad

Ryan Kesler,
Alex Steen Steen,
1st in prospect draft
2nd in prospect draft
3rd in prospect draft
Next years 10th in NHL draft
Not sure if serious.


Jammin Jellies are screwed 3 years from now.



And yes wflames, I will re-arrange the divisions once everyone joins.


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08-30-2013, 12:37 PM
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Not sure if serious.


Jammin Jellies are screwed 3 years from now.



And yes wflames, I will re-arrange the divisions once everyone joins.
No confirmation yet...

The one concern for the Squirtle Squad is if Kesler can get fully healthy and back to where he was a couple of seasons ago. Even if he doesn't, though, the rest of the package would probably be enough to make it worth it.

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Risk I am willing to take.

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I think Jellies won this deal. Thorton + Marleau are better than Kesler + Steen, while prospect picks are meh

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I think Jellies won this deal. Thorton + Marleau are better than Kesler + Steen, while prospect picks are meh
Prospect picks increasing in value next season if the changes go in.

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I think Jellies won this deal. Thorton + Marleau are better than Kesler + Steen, while prospect picks are meh
Still don't see why prospect picks are considered "meh" by some managers.

Unless this league is only supposed to last for another season or two and then fold.

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08-30-2013, 01:13 PM
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I agree to the trade

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I agree to the trade
Good trade sir.

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Still don't see why prospect picks are considered "meh" by some managers.

Unless this league is only supposed to last for another season or two and then fold.
They're limited to a single draft year. This limits the prospect draft to the same probabilities of a single pick, as seen here:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1298875

When the prospect draft included all years past, we could start to see which prospects are progressing, which are getting weeded out, and which are a more attractive investment. The odds change quite significantly.

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08-30-2013, 01:22 PM
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They're limited to a single draft year. This limits the prospect draft to the same probabilities of a single pick, as seen here:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1298875

When the prospect draft included all years past, we could start to see which prospects are progressing, which are getting weeded out, and which are a more attractive investment. The odds change quite significantly.
I ain't got time for that!

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I ain't got time for that!
All you need to know:

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top 5: 84%

1st overall 90%
#2: 100%,
#3: 80%,
#4: 70%,
#5: 80%.

6th -10th overall: 42%
6: 60%,
7: 50%,
8: 30%,
9: 40%,
10: 30%

11th -15th overall: 42%
11: 40%,
12: 60%,
13: 50%,
14: 40%,
15: 20%

16th-20th overall: 30%
16: 10%,
17:40%,
18: 20%,
19: 30%,
20: 50%

21-25th overall: 36%
21: 50%,
22: 30%,
23: 40%,
24: 40%,
25: 20%

26-30th overall: 24%
26: 40%,
27: 20%,
28:30%,
29: 30%,
30: 0%
More interesting stats:
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/pro...ft_success.htm

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From 1990 to 1999, about one-quarter of the players selected in the second round turned into NHL career players
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From over 2,000 players selected in the third round and beyond during 1990s, just 261 made it as NHL career players. That's about 12 percent
That's why the prospect picks are just "meh" to me.

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They're limited to a single draft year. This limits the prospect draft to the same probabilities of a single pick, as seen here:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1298875

When the prospect draft included all years past, we could start to see which prospects are progressing, which are getting weeded out, and which are a more attractive investment. The odds change quite significantly.
Which is why I'm puzzled at why it's been changed. In the NHL, if a player goes undrafted through their first eligible draft, they are eligible again for the next one, too. Why don't we apply this to our own league? I personally advocate, from now on, allowing us to pick any player who has not played an NHL game.

I don't think this thins out the possibilities for the main draft, either, because there are players already in the NHL who make a jump from one year to the next; who are not considered worthy of a fantasy spot one year but will be the next, and they should more than make up for retiring players. Besides that, even if the options for the main draft become just slightly less appealing, the system assumes that your prospects will be coming into your team during the year anyway, meaning that those 22nd rounders and 23rd rounders which you had to use on Tim Jackman and Darcy Hordichuk are going to end up as dropped players anyway.

On top of all other benefits, as MarkGio has repeatedly pointed out, it makes our prospect draft more interesting.

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08-30-2013, 01:32 PM
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That's why the prospect picks are just "meh" to me.
The 'beyond third round' stats are largely irrelevant. We are only picking 54 prospects collectively, which probably means that 3rd rounders will only be picked (in all probability) by the last few picks.

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08-30-2013, 01:34 PM
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The 'beyond third round' stats are largely irrelevant. We are only picking 54 prospects collectively, which probably means that 3rd rounders will only be picked (in all probability) by the last few picks.
Yes that's true.

But it was 3rd round and beyond

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Which is why I'm puzzled at why it's been changed. In the NHL, if a player goes undrafted through their first eligible draft, they are eligible again for the next one, too. Why don't we apply this to our own league? I personally advocate, from now on, allowing us to pick any player who has not played an NHL game.

I don't think this thins out the possibilities for the main draft, either, because there are players already in the NHL who make a jump from one year to the next; who are not considered worthy of a fantasy spot one year but will be the next, and they should more than make up for retiring players. Besides that, even if the options for the main draft become just slightly less appealing, the system assumes that your prospects will be coming into your team during the year anyway, meaning that those 22nd rounders and 23rd rounders which you had to use on Tim Jackman and Darcy Hordichuk are going to end up as dropped players anyway.

On top of all other benefits, as MarkGio has repeatedly pointed out, it makes our prospect draft more interesting.
That's why I made my prospect list the exact draft order as it really happened. Real NHL GMs probably have better insight than I do. And my odds don't change any (get worse)!

Its an easy way to draft

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08-30-2013, 01:40 PM
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Accepted yahoo, will compile a list.

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I have two 1sts, four 2nds, and three 3rds.... I have 1/6 of the draft picks.

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I would like to see a series of polls just so we know where everyone collectively stands. Polls on:
  • When to hold the prospect draft with respect to the main draft
  • Who is eligible to be picked in the draft
  • Rules about prospects picked in the main draft (if made necessary by the above choices)

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That's why I made my prospect list the exact draft order as it really happened. Real NHL GMs probably have better insight than I do. And my odds don't change any (get worse)!

Its an easy way to draft
I started with that, then altered it so that at the places where I draft second (43rd) only the positions I want are present.

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I don't like the submitting lists, we could have had a good start on the first round maybe second round if we did it the same as before by now.

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I don't like the submitting lists, we could have had a good start on the first round maybe second round if we did it the same as before by now.
i agree with this.

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i agree with this.
And how are we going to do that when the main draft is still going?

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InfinityIggy and I have talked and we have concluded that we will hold a vote for the prospect part of the league. It will be much easier to do that than just debate back and forth on a single thread.

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