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09-04-2013, 06:15 PM
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Chicago Blackhawks Top 20 stocked at center and on the blue line


The Chicago Blackhawks maintain a prospect pool that features both quantity and quality, from potential top-six forwards to versatile blueliners that could contribute down the road. There have not been many changes at the top, but the 2013 draft class increased the competition for lower spots and put three new prospects inside the Top 20.

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09-04-2013, 06:46 PM
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For reference sake...

Here is our voted on Top 20;
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1. Brandon Saad
2. Teuvo Teravainen
3. Brandon Pirri
4. Phillip Danault
5. Adam Clendening
6. Jeremy Morin
7. Antti Raanta
8. Ryan Hartman
9. Mark McNeill
10. Drew LeBlanc
11. Stephen Johns
12. Kevin Hayes
13. Jimmy Hayes
14. John Hayden
15. Ben Smith
16. Garret Ross
17. Ryan Stanton
18. coming soon...
19. coming soon...
20. coming soon...
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1. Brandon Saad
2. Teuvo Teravainen
3. Adam Clendening
4. Phillip Danault
5. Mark McNeill
6. Brandon Pirri
7. Drew LeBlanc
8. Stephen Johns
9. Jeremy Morin
10. Ryan Hartman
11. Jimmy Hayes
12. Kevin Hayes
13. Dillon Fournier
14. Carl Dahlstrom
15. John Hayden
16. Antti Raanta
17. Klas Dahlbeck
18. Dylan Olsen
19. Michael Paliotta
20. Alex Broadhurst
Some very interesting differences

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09-04-2013, 07:19 PM
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Still boggled by the lack or perceived upsides given to Hawk prospects. Does HF limit the amount of prospects that can have 7.0 ratings? I don't get it.

Dillon Fournier and Carl Dahlstrom both have top-4 upside, but not according to HF. Teuvo Teravainen has the same upside as Max freaking Reinhart AND has a lower perceived upside than 5'7", Johnny Gaudreau.. I mean, c'mon. It's no insult to Gaudreau, but IMO it's not a contest as to who's the better prospect.

I think I've asked this before, but are you (Brad) individually responsible for gauging the upsides for the prospects in the system you cover, or is a consensus found within a group of writers? Because it really doesn't make a lot of sense in a system-by-system comparison.

1. Brandon Saad - 7.5B (7.5B)
2. Teuvo Teravainen - 8.0C (7.5C)
3. Adam Clendening - 7.5C (7.0)
4. Phillip Danault - 7.0B (7.0C)
5. Mark McNeill - 7.5C (7.0C)
6. Brandon Pirri - 7.5C (7.0C)
7. Drew LeBlanc - 7.0C (7.0C)
8. Stephen Johns - 7.0C (7.0C)
9. Jeremy Morin - 7.0C (7.0C)
10. Ryan Hartman - 7.0B (7.0C)
11. Jimmy Hayes - 7.0C (7.0C)
12. Kevin Hayes - 7.5D (7.0C)
13. Dillon Fournier - 7.0C (6.5C)
14. Carl Dahlstrom - 7.0C (6.5C)
15. John Hayden - 7.0C (7.0D)
16. Antti Raanta - 7.5D (7.0D)
17. Klas Dahlbeck - 6.5C (6.5C)
18. Dylan Olsen - 6.5C (7.0D)
19. Michael Paliotta - 6.5C (6.5C)
20. Alex Broadhurst - 7.0D (6.5C)

*() = HF ratings

Others: Robin Norell, 7.0C; Maxim Shalunov, 7.0D; Tyler Motte, 6.5C; Anthony Louis 7.0D; Chris Calnan, 6.5C; Joakim Nordstrom, 6.5C; Brandon Whitney, 7.0D; Kent Simpson, 6.5D; Mac Carruth, 6.5D;

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Dahlstrom and Dahlbeck should switch places.

Dahlbeck is far more proven and Dahlstrom's potential doesn't make up the difference.

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Dahlstrom and Dahlbeck should switch places.

Dahlbeck is far more proven and Dahlstrom's potential doesn't make up the difference.
Dahlbeck is 4 years older than Dahlstrom, so citing being "more proven" doesn't mean all that much. Ben Smith is more proven than Teuvo Teravainen, should he be ranked ahead of him? Or Danault? Or McNeill? Or Hartman? No.

Dahlstrom has a solid chance at playing for Sweden at the WJC, is bigger than Dahlbeck, despite being 4 years younger and by all accounts projects as Niklas Hjalmarsson-type Dman in the NHL. Very good positoinally, physical when he needs to be, makes good reads and defensive stops and has flashed a bit of offensive upside.

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Dahlbeck is 4 years older than Dahlstrom, so citing being "more proven" doesn't mean all that much. Ben Smith is more proven than Teuvo Teravainen, should he be ranked ahead of him? Or Danault? Or McNeill? Or Hartman? No.

Dahlstrom has a solid chance at playing for Sweden at the WJC, is bigger than Dahlbeck, despite being 4 years younger and by all accounts projects as Niklas Hjalmarsson-type Dman in the NHL. Very good positoinally, physical when he needs to be, makes good reads and defensive stops and has flashed a bit of offensive upside.
Like I said, the difference in potential between Dahleck and Dahlstrom doesn't make up the difference in their proven results at this point in their careers.

They both max out as a Hjalmarsson-like defenseman. A good-sized defenseman that consistently makes safe, position-based defensive plays.

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Like I said, the difference in potential between Dahleck and Dahlstrom doesn't make up the difference in their proven results at this point in their careers.

They both max out as a Hjalmarsson-like defenseman. A good-sized defenseman that consistently makes safe, position-based defensive plays.
I would say Dahlstrom tops out as a #3 Dman, while Dalhbeck tops out as a #5 Dman. That's the difference, and it's significant.

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I would say Dahlstrom tops out as a #3 Dman, while Dalhbeck tops out as a #5 Dman. That's the difference, and it's significant.
That is a significant difference, but it's not the way I see it.

To me they both max out as floating between the #4 and #5 slots.

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That is a significant difference, but it's not the way I see it.

To me they both max out as floating between the #4 and #5 slots.
We'll see. I am a fan of Dahlbeck, I just see him as a bottom-pairing Dman in the NHL.

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I think I'd have them

1. Saad
2. Teravainen
3. Danault
4. Clendening
5. Hartman
6. Pirri
7. McNeill
8. Morin
9. Leblanc
10. Johns
11. JHayes
12. Olsen
13. Raanta
14. Fournier
15. Dahlstrom
16. KHayes
17. Dahlbeck
18. Hayden
19. Ross
20. Simpson

Needless to say, I'm predicting Olsen to pull his head out of his ass.

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don't like those ratings too.

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