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09-13-2013, 02:25 PM
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Where are these numbers coming from. Afairc recall specifics from camp haven't been released before. Just some general comments usually.

Wheres the source if you don't mind. Not questioning, but a lot of us would probably want to know more details if any are out there.
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Andrew Ference, the Sherwood Park product obtained from the Boston Bruins, blew Eakins away.

“He scored the highest number that I’ve seen as a coach,” Eakins said of Ference’s 67.3.

Two other Oilers were also in the 60s, numbers high for hockey players.

“I was exactly 60. Anton Lander was in the 60s too,” reported Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/09/1...-skating-drill

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09-13-2013, 02:30 PM
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I am assuming the VO2 max scores are in mL/(kg·min) units.

Also from wikipedia, this formula can be used to estimate your VO2 max to compare and put things in perspective.

VO2 Max = 15*(Max Heart Rate / Rest Heart Rate)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VO2_max

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09-13-2013, 02:33 PM
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Thanks, Journal as usual has screwed the pooch on this or I didn't see it anyway. Wish we could get the whole breakdown. A leak. Anybody?


Thats some pretty good company for Nuge. What with his skating stride no wonder he covers back as well as he does.

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09-13-2013, 02:46 PM
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Very happy to see RNH up that high, and it's no surprise to see Ference and Lander there as well. Lander might lack high end skill, but his dedication to the game is no question. He should become a staple in our bottom 6 shortly.

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09-13-2013, 02:59 PM
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I am assuming the VO2 max scores are in mL/(kg·min) units.

Also from wikipedia, this formula can be used to estimate your VO2 max to compare and put things in perspective.

VO2 Max = 15*(Max Heart Rate / Rest Heart Rate)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VO2_max
I took the test myself once many years ago. At the time I was in fantastic shape, easily the best of my life. Anyway, I wasn't too worried about the idea of pedaling my guts out, but I guess there are laws (or more likely, insurance policies) that don't allow the test to be performed without a doctor present. So I probably did one of these estimates, as I was only required to pedal moderately hard. It was so easy at time (as I said, I was in very good shape) that the tester and I were chatting as I took the test.

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09-13-2013, 03:02 PM
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Gagne and Morrow?

I can't believe that Morrow and Gagne are still available! They would be perfect additions to the Oilers. Both can play a solid two way game on the third line and both are former top 6 players that can be excellent veterans to our squad. While both have probably lost a bit of foot speed and endurance, third line minutes would not demand too much of either of these athletes.

I have no idea what they are asking. Probably more than we can afford, but just for ***** and giggles, lets say they both are willing to sign here for one year to show they still got it at 2.5 million each.

Line up would be:


While Nuge is out:

Perron(3.81) Hall(6) Eberle(6) 15.81
Yak(3.8) Gagner(4.8) Hemsky(5) 13.6
Morrow(2.5) Gordon(3) Gagne(2.5) 8
Smyth(2.25) Lander(.9) Jones(1.5) 4.65
Brown/Eager(.73) .73

Ferrence(3.25) Shultz(3.78) 7.03
Smid(3.5) Petry(1.75) 5.25
Belov(1.525) Schultz(3.5) 5.025
Grebs(1.5) 1.5

Total cap it: 61.595

When Nuge returns:
Hall(6) Nuge(3.775) Eberle(6) 15.775
Perron(3.81) Gagner(4.8) Yak(3.8) 12.41
Morrow(2.5) Gordon(3) Hemsky (5) 10.5
Smyth(2.25) Gagne(2.5) Jones(1.5) 6.25
Brown/Eager(.73) .73

Ferrence(3.25) Shultz(3.78) 7.03
Smid(3.5) Petry(1.75) 5.25
Belov(1.525) Schultz(3.5) 5.025
Grebs(1.5) 1.5

Total cap it: 64.47

Now, I realize that option two is slightly over the cap, but we will save a month of nuge's salary (difference between Nuge and Lander at least)

Also... not that you would want to count on it, but if there are any injuries, our call ups would be much cheaper than our current line up.

Top 6 call up options:
Omark (could reasonably fill in for any winger for a short term and is given the kind of minutes he needs to succeed)
Lander (and move morrow/gagne up to third liine and hemmer up to top 6)

Bottom 6 call up: Lander (and either morrow or gagne move to third line)

I know we'd still be missing some jam, but I really like that line up. In my opinion, that would def be a playoff team.

Plus having gagner and gagne on the same team would make hf trade proposals so much fun to decipher.... lol

Thoughts?

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09-13-2013, 03:07 PM
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09-13-2013, 03:15 PM
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I would like Morrow for the right terms. Bottom line he is still better than Smyth.

Repeat I said for the right terms. Morrow at 2 years 3 mill or something like that, sign me up.

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09-13-2013, 03:17 PM
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A big hell yes to Simone Gagne...didn't think he was available...always been a fan.

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09-13-2013, 03:21 PM
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I would love Simon Gagne!
I draft him onto my NHL team every year for the past 5 years.

Best dekes alive.

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09-13-2013, 03:22 PM
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With Smyth and Hemsky on the books, there is no cap or roster space for either player. Gagne is probably close to being done, but I am surprised Morrow did not get a contract. Still a quality bottom 6 guy. I guess his asking price is too high for many teams. Should get signed on the cheap in the near future.

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09-13-2013, 03:34 PM
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Morrow maybe, but Gagne is done and a waste of money.

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09-13-2013, 03:48 PM
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I'd take Morrow and pass on Gagne

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09-13-2013, 04:07 PM
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I'm not sure how important VO2 max really is for hockey players.

There is an endurance component, but its mostly a burst sport. Interesting that the Bruins and Penguins don't do VO2 max tests.

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09-13-2013, 04:52 PM
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From the Jones article:

Eakins said the remarkable thing about Ference’s VO2 number was that his Wingate (anaerobic) test number were up at a comparable level.

“Usually if one is up another is down,” he said of the tests which measure endurance and power.

Ferrence put it another way.

“One is your first period. The other is your overtime.”

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09-13-2013, 04:59 PM
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From the wiki, if anyone's interested. Does seem more of an endurance-based test, so I can see why Ference called it the "overtime" test, whereas Wingate is "first period".

Maximal oxygen uptake (VO2 max) is widely accepted as the single best measure of cardiovascular fitness and maximal aerobic power. Absolute values of VO2 max are typically 40-60% higher in men than in women.”[3]

The average untrained healthy male will have a VO2 max of approximately 35–40 mL/(kg·min).[4][5] The average untrained healthy female will score a VO2 max of approximately 27–31 mL/(kg·min).[4] These scores can improve with training and decrease with age, though the degree of trainability also varies very widely: conditioning may double VO2 max in some individuals, and will marginally improve it in others.[6][7]

In sports where endurance is an important component in performance, such as cycling, rowing, cross-country skiing, swimming and running, world class athletes typically have high VO2 maxima. Elite male runners can consume up to 85 mL/(kg·min), and female elite runners can consume about 77 mL/(kg·min).[8] Five time Tour de France winner Miguel Indurain is reported to have had a VO2 max of 88.0 at his peak,[9] while cross-country skier Bjørn Dæhlie measured at 96 mL/(kg·min).[10] Dæhlie's result was achieved out of season, and physiologist Erlend Hem who was responsible for the testing stated that he would not discount the possibility of the skier passing 100 mL/(kg·min) at his absolute peak. Norwegian cyclist Oskar Svendsen is thought to have recorded the highest VO2 max of 97.5 mL/(kg·min), a "sensational" value in itself, made more remarkable by his young age (18 years old at the time).[11] To put this into perspective, thoroughbred horses have a VO2 max of around 180 mL/(kg·min). Siberian dogs running in the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race have VO2 values as high as 240 mL/(kg·min).[12]

The highest values in absolute terms are often found in rowers, as their much greater bulk makes up for a slightly lower VO2 max per kg. Elite oarsmen measured in 1984 had VO2 max values of 6.1±0.6 L/min and oarswomen 4.1±0.4 L/min.[13] Rowers are interested in both absolute values of VO2 max and in lung capacity, and the fact that they are measured in similar units means that the two are often confused. British rower Sir Matthew Pinsent is variously reported to have had a VO2 of 7.5l/min[14] or 8.5l/min, although the latter may represent confusion with his lung capacity of 8.5 litres.[15] New Zealand sculler Rob Waddell has one of the highest absolute VO2 max levels ever tested.[16]

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09-13-2013, 06:28 PM
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By best shape, probably talking about his VO2 which was very high. Compliment to him.
Yeah only him, Lander, and Ference were in the 60's. Two young guys like that scoring so high is surprising, Lander's serious about the 4th line spot.

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VO2 max doesn't seem to account for genetic factors like lung capacity. I knew a distance runner who have on lung that was 30 percent larger than "normal". I put way more stock it how someone plays the game.

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I was actually curious, so I checked my score from when I did the test for Edmonton Firefighting when I was 19. I scored 47.7, and that was like one of the 5 (maybe 3?) highest out of the 25 that tested in my class at the ESA.

60 sounds quite a bit better.

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From personal experience I can relate to this. I work out 3-4 times a week and sit around 205lbs at 6'4". If I crush food and do nothing but eat all day I can get up to 210-215, but its an uncomfortable life and not worth it.

I know it was only first day of training camp but I don't like what Eakins is experimenting with. He is also a "duo" guy and this looks like his "duos" so far. Hall-Hemsky, Gagner-Eberle, Yakupov-Perron.
So that being said this is what the lines would most likely look like.

Jones-Gagner-Eberle
Smyth-Hall-Hemsky
Perron-Gordon-Yakupov
Eager-Acton/Lander-Jonesuu

I don't know if I am forgetting anyone but I hate Smyth being on Hall's line, Eakins wants to surround him with veterans at first but Smyth just can't do it...

Also Rishaug said this morning that he believes Hamilton will get a serious look with Gagner and Eberle because Eakins likes what he brings.
Yuck, to me that looks like 3 mediocre 2nd lines. Rather than have 1 excellent 1st line, 1 very good 2nd line and 1 below average 3rd line.

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for those who keep wanting to push the bonuses till next year, Nuge, Schultz, Petry and Dubnyk will need new contract and while the cap will go up and we lose the Hemsky contract, we should not carry over as much as some want---broken record ends

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4 years 3.1mil cap hit for Cowen. Now there is a contract I can get on board with.

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for those who keep wanting to push the bonuses till next year, Nuge, Schultz, Petry and Dubnyk will need new contract and while the cap will go up and we lose the Hemsky contract, we should not carry over as much as some want---broken record ends
I suspect at some point they move Hemsky so overages aren't there. I also question how much of a raise Schultz and Dubnyk get.

As for those ovarages, how much are we even over? We are at 67.7 with 24 contracts. So couple mil at most? I also highly doubt all those guys are hitting all their bonuses, they aren't easy.

Also have N.Schultz off the books.

I don't really see the issue at this point to be honest.

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wouldnt mind Morrow - big fan - but he might be teetering on the edge of Smythdom. i'd take Morrow over Smyth right now. but this organization likes slow euthanasia parties over moderately workable rosters.

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wouldnt mind Morrow - big fan - but he might be teetering on the edge of Smythdom. i'd take Morrow over Smyth right now. but this organization likes slow euthanasia parties over moderately workable rosters.
Depending on cost I think you have to try him out. I think the lockout might've hurt him and if you can get him for 1-1.5mil it would be worth it. Worse case scenario you bury him in the minors and absorb 100k-600k cap hit. But something tells me he wouldn't clear waivers during the year when teams are starting to get injuries.

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