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09-12-2013, 07:20 AM
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Yeah I heard that and it's reflective of his demeanor. But it's not something that gets used or shouted out during a game or drill like "Rico.... get your head up". Or "Great move Bert". Or, "you're up next Beer Man"

So I'd say The Big Easy is more akin to a moniker rather than a nickname.

Which is why they fall back these days to adding sie to the name or shortening it like they did with to "Gretz" (I read that his nickname at one time was "Weener".... way before Anthony's time.....)

They could just call him "Big".

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I'm not sure whether I like the Ehrhoff-Myers pairing or not.

What I don't really get though is why putting together two offensive minded d-men instead of having one defensive D and one offensive D (like Ehrhoff-Weber and Myers-Mcbain or so?). I know the McBain example isn't really that great because he shouldn't earn top 4 minutes but still... I can't remember if they tried the Ehrhoff-Weber pairing yet for some longer?

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09-12-2013, 08:09 AM
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One more thing... Regier is scheduled to be on WGR from 8:30-8:40am on Thursday morning.
Recapping Regier's talking points on WGR this morning:
  • Talked the new long-term contract for Hodgson, citing his maturity and work ethic
  • Handing long-term deals out to young guys still remains a concern
  • TBD if Hodgson is a C1 or high-end C2 in long-run
  • Grigorenko spent the whole summer working out in Buffalo; also worked with Dawn Braid on skating improvements
  • No trade market right now, "very quiet"
  • Has made it clear to our three UFAs that they want them around, but no standing offers
  • Myers was committed to offseason training; when not in Buffalo, requested a team trainer to go with him to W.Canada
  • Prospects will get chance in exhibitions; Girgensons arguably best at TC, Armia arguably most talented
  • Girgensons with his work ethic will be close, but he doesn't want him to be playing 4-5 minutes on a fourth line
Edit: Audio --> http://podcast.wgr550.com/wgr2/4133922.mp3


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09-12-2013, 08:17 AM
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I'm not sure whether I like the Ehrhoff-Myers pairing or not.

What I don't really get though is why putting together two offensive minded d-men instead of having one defensive D and one offensive D (like Ehrhoff-Weber and Myers-Mcbain or so?). I know the McBain example isn't really that great because he shouldn't earn top 4 minutes but still... I can't remember if they tried the Ehrhoff-Weber pairing yet for some longer?
Those pairings wont happen because you've got two lefties together and two righties together. Rolston, Devine and co are real big on keeping dmen on the same side as their handedness and paring left with right. It almost borders on obssession.

Ehrhoff/Myers makes sense because they can play in all situations and can play heavy mintues.

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09-12-2013, 08:35 AM
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Ok, so here's what I can tell regarding waiver eligiblity (with multiple conditions listed, which happens first)

Luke Adam: waiver eligible
Joel Armia: waiver eligible in 2016-2017 or 160 gp
Daniel Catenacci: waiver eligible in 2016-2017 or 160 gp
Nick Crawford: waiver eligible
Brian Flynn: waiver eligible in 2014-2015 or 34 gp
Marcus Foligno: waiver eligible in 2014-2015 or 99 gp
Jerome Gauthier-Leduc: waiver eligible in 2015-2016 or 160 gp
Zemgus Girgensons: waiver eligible in 2017-2018 or 160 gp*
Mikhail Grigorenko: waiver eligible in 2015-2016 or 135 gp
Matt Hackett: waiver eligible in 2014-2015 or 67 gp
Cody Hodgson: waiver eligible
Colin Jacobs: waiver eligible in 2016-2017 or 160 gp
Connor Knapp: waiver eligible in 2016-2017 or 60 gp
Johann Larsson: waiver eligible in 2015-2016 or 159 gp
Nathan Lieuwen: waiver eligible in 2016-2017 or 60 gp
Matt Mackenzie: waiver eligible in 2014-2015 or 160 gp
Andrey Makarov: waiver eligible in 2017-2018 or 80 gp
Brayden McNabb: waiver eligible in 2014-2015 or 125 gp
Jonathan Parker: waiver eligible in 2014-2015 or 160 gp
Mark Pysyk: waiver eligible in 2015-2016 or 141 gp
Rasmus Ristolainen: waiver eligible in 2017-2018 or 160 gp*
Chad Ruhwedel: waiver eligible in 2015-2016 or 53 gp
Tim Schaller: waiver eligible in 2016-2017 or 60 gp
Kevin Sundher: waiver eligible in 2015-2016 or 160 gp
Shawn Szydlowski: waiver eligible in 2014-2015 or 80 gp
Corey Tropp: waiver eligible
Phil Varone: waiver eligible in 2015-2016 or 70 gp

*If either Girgensons or Ristolainen plays in 11 games this season, it shortens their waiver exemption period as far as years of experience goes
thanks, and to all the other replies as well.

So, pragmatically distilling down to the currently most popular BUF/Roch "tweeners":

Waiver eligible now:
Adam
Crawford
Tropp

Potentially waiver eligible this season:
Brian Flynn: waiver eligible in 2014-2015 or 34 gp
Chad Ruhwedel: waiver eligible in 2015-2016 or 53 gp

Adam & Crawford probably aren't in BUF's plans unless a F is traded. Every club has their own Corey Tropp, and BUF will want to see how his injury has healed anyway. Flynn may stay up (my bet) or log some miles on I-90 - but I can't see BUF exposing him needlessly. Same with Ruhwedel.

I don't see any real issues / risks with the above. With the typical expected injuries, I can't see BUF in a situation where they need to expose anyone needlessly, in particular anyone they truly covet.

(I may also cut and paste dotcommunism's reply in the prospects stickied thread - thanks again.)

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Those pairings wont happen because you've got two lefties together and two righties together. Rolston, Devine and co are real big on keeping dmen on the same side as their handedness and paring left with right. It almost borders on obssession.

Ehrhoff/Myers makes sense because they can play in all situations and can play heavy mintues.
Thanks for your input!

In the last two campaigns I always had the impression that when this pairing was one the ice, it didn't work out that well. Mainly because:
- Ehrhoff was pretty solid in his own end, but Myers (when he plays like last season) really needs a rock solid d-partner imo.
- Myers was awful in his pinching choices etc. which lead to Ehrhoff being more defensively than he should be. There were several situations where Hoff was on his own on a two against one.

And yes you're totally right about the left-handed and right-handed thing that the staff wants to sort out. But to force this at all costs isn't making much sense imo.

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09-12-2013, 08:48 AM
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Ultimately, I think we'll see Ehrhoff-Pysyk, Tallinder-Myers, Weber-McBain/Ruhwedel/Ristolainen. Sulzer and McNabb will spell the lefties during injuries and slumps, with the former taking the short-term assignments and the latter taking longer-term assignments.

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09-12-2013, 08:50 AM
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I know the McBain example isn't really that great because he shouldn't earn top 4 minutes but still
Why not? His first two full NHL seasons, he averaged close to 20 min a game, and in his first stint with the Canes, he averaged 25 min a game.

He just had a bit of a regression last year. He went into camp in poor shape and wound up in Muller's doghouse.


There's no reason to think that he couldn't be a top 4 defenseman in the NHL with a little coaching.

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09-12-2013, 08:58 AM
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Interesting lines at Training camp:

Foligno Hodgson Vanek
Ott Grigorenko Leino
Ennis Larsson Stafford
Tropp McCormick Kaleta

Myers Erhroff
Tallinder Pysyk
Weber Risto
McNabb McBain
Sulzer Ruhwedel

The thing that surprises me is Larsson on a line with Ennis and Stafford. I was just a believer that Porter was a favorite of Rolston. I guess he knows what Porter and Flynn can bring. Giving an audition to Larsson. Still early of course. Lets see.


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09-12-2013, 09:28 AM
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Thanks for your input!

In the last two campaigns I always had the impression that when this pairing was one the ice, it didn't work out that well. Mainly because:
- Ehrhoff was pretty solid in his own end, but Myers (when he plays like last season) really needs a rock solid d-partner imo.
- Myers was awful in his pinching choices etc. which lead to Ehrhoff being more defensively than he should be. There were several situations where Hoff was on his own on a two against one.

And yes you're totally right about the left-handed and right-handed thing that the staff wants to sort out. But to force this at all costs isn't making much sense imo.
I've been somewhat surprised at how adamant they've been about it.

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Kinda looks like the "practice roster" is by line too.

Foligno-Hodgson-Vanek
Girgensons-Porter Flynn
Sundher-Szydlowski-Jacobs
Locke-Roy-Nelson

Ehrhoff-Myers
Bagnall-JGL
Zadorov-MacKenzie


Wow.....I like the look of that 2nd line. That would be one heck of a defensive line with some offensive ability

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Kinda looks like the "practice roster" is by line too.

Foligno-Hodgson-Vanek
Girgensons-Porter Flynn
Sundher-Szydlowski-Jacobs
Locke-Roy-Nelson

Ehrhoff-Myers
Bagnall-JGL
Zadorov-MacKenzie


Wow.....I like the look of that 2nd line. That would be one heck of a defensive line with some offensive ability
Yep, that 2nd line will tear up the league....assuming Porter clears waivers.

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Depth Chart at First Day of Camp

Forwards

Foligno-Hodgson-Vanek
Ennis-Larsson-Stafford
Ott-Grigorenko-Leino
Girgensons-Porter-Flynn
Tropp-McCormick-Kaleta
Adam-Zigomanis-Armia
Scott-Ellis-Bailey
Catenacci-Varone-Tardif
Sundher-Szydlowski-Jacobs
Locke-Roy-Nelson
Gillies-Kea-Baptiste
Trainor-Parker-McGuire

Notes:
Ennis at wing
Hard to decipher the bottom lines in order
Certain guys (Scott and Kaleta, etc. will likely move up and push younger guys down. i.e. Girgensons)

Defense

Ehrhoff-Myers
Tallinder-Pysyk
McNabb-McBain
Weber-Ristolainen
Sulzer-Ruhwedel
Bagnall-Gauthier-Leduc
Zadarov-MacKenzie
Austin-Crawford
Lepkowski-Boland

Notes:
Sulzer, Ruhwedel on the outside looking in
Will one veteran get sent down to Rochester?

Goalies

Miller
Enroth
Hackett
Lieuwen
Knapp
Makarov

Notes
Lieuwen the front runner to back up Hackett

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Interesting lines at Training camp:

Foligno Hodgson Vanek
Ott Grigorenko Leino
Ennis Larsson Stafford
Tropp McCormick Kaleta

Myers Erhroff
Tallinder Pysyk
Weber Risto
McNabb McBain
Sulzer Ruhwedel

The thing that surprises me is Larsson on a line with Ennis and Stafford. I was just a believer that Porter was a favorite of Rolston. I guess he knows what Porter and Flynn can bring. Giving an audition to Larsson. Still early of course. Lets see.
Please let us know if Ott-Grigs-Leino has the same magic as they reportedly had at last years camp.

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The Weber-Ristolainen d pairing implies to me that Risto is being given a serious look at making this team.

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The Weber-Ristolainen d pairing implies to me that Risto is being given a serious look at making this team.
I agree. Rolston already said that he would be going with Ehrhoff-Myers and Tallinder-Pysyk right? At least for camp?

But I think McBain either has to be #6 or #7.

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The Weber-Ristolainen d pairing implies to me that Risto is being given a serious look at making this team.
I thought the same thing. Same for Larsson and Tropp.

Who did they put a college rookie with when they eased (threw) him into the NHL last year? Weber

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I agree. Rolston already said that he would be going with Ehrhoff-Myers and Tallinder-Pysyk right? At least for camp?

But I think McBain either has to be #6 or #7.
Do they keep 14 forwards or 8 D?

If it is 8 D then they can give Risto a look and have McBain and Sulzer as 7 and 8. Makes more sense than having a prospect sit in the press box.

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Larsson on a line with Ennis and Stafford is interesting.

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Larsson on a line with Ennis and Stafford is interesting.
agreed but I like it. Larsson is a good playmaker and a "bulldog" which makes him a digger on that line as well.

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Larsson on a line with Ennis and Stafford is interesting.
Yeah, I didn't see that coming.

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Yeah, I didn't see that coming.
I thought he belonged there more so than Grigs. But with Rolston's use of a defensive 3rd line last year. I thought that (3rd line center) would be Larsson's best fit

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Would rather have Porter up than McCormick

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