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09-20-2013, 11:06 AM
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Another urban myth.

I hope you're right.

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Another urban myth.

What actually happens is that as you say Raymond plays well in the first half, more like 2/3 of the season then with the playoffs in sight AV starts to have multiple brainfarts and starts juggling the lines and usually using Raymond as a "fireman" to offset the slackers and goofs in the 3rd line.

Basically Raymond was good all year with Kesler and Sammy. Sammy was traded for the white elephant that is Booth and suddenly Raymond finds he is on a line with 2 puck hogs (one trying to look good and the other trying to compensate for an injury) Raymond was then deemed to be the one closing down the 2nd line (wrongly as time would prove) potential and shipped to the 3rd where as I say AV played musical chairs.

While all this was going on Raymond was trying to get his core strength back. He actually started up a great partnership with Shroeder and Hansen (last season)..........Schroeder had one mediocre game and AV blows up the whole line.

Quite a few on CDC still think the Canucks would have won the SC if they could have had Raymond in the team for the last 2 games. Also look back at Raymond's performance in the playoffs........it's not great but compare it to people like Higgins, Hansen, Booth, Kassian (all the CDC favourites) and it compares well.

Even in last year's abysmal playoffs Raymond showed up pretty well.

I have a feeling Raymond is just coming back to where he would have been bar the injuries and you guys will reap the benefits. I hope so anyway, because as a Canucks fan I thought he was treated shabbily by most of their fans and ultimately the management.
If that is true great, it just isn't the seemingly accepted mantra, and we don't see enough of the Canucks to form a qualified opinion. If we get the upside of Raymond you speak of for around a mil a year... sign me up. Thank You for the contrary opinion.

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09-20-2013, 11:23 AM
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Neat Mason Raymond fact:

His first name is the last name of a television character who's first name in real life is the same as Masons last name...

Perry Mason/Raymond Burr


Carry on.....

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09-20-2013, 11:38 AM
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This is what I hear from most Canucks fans.. Mason shows up in pre-season and early October, and then disappears.

I think he has a good situation here where (when) he makes the team, he's not going to be relied upon to provide primary or secondary scoring - in Van city, they seemed to be expecting more out of him to score and put up points where then he has to fight off heavy checking units that lines 1 and 2 get put up against nightly.

I could see how he would whither against these units as physicality is just not his game. But as a third-line checker/occasional scorer, we should see him excel where there is less pressure and he can use his speed on the counter-attack against cherry-picking opposition.

His effectiveness on the PK will be invaluable too - that puts less emphasis on Bozak to be on the PK and use up energy that could be used with Kessel. Mason/Bolland/Kulie/Silent Jay.. 4 very good PK'ers for both units.
What a surprise a fan base that turns on a player that doesn't play for them anymore. Even more surprising when it's a team that the fan base doesn't like. It's like an ex-girlfriend.

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09-20-2013, 11:48 AM
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Originally I suspect that Nonis offered Raymond a tryout in order to push Leafs young players and prospects in an attempt to get them to earn that 3rd line spot. Attempting to see what the organization had internally that could help the parent team.

However as it has turned out Raymond has had little to no competition for that spot as most of the contenders were cut early after being nearly invisible, which must be very discouraging for management overall.

Now Raymond looks like a brilliant move by Nonis as he has taken that opportunity and ran with it and looks like an automatic for that spot, and actually impressing in his contributions to securing it on merit.

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09-20-2013, 12:15 PM
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Originally I suspect that Nonis offered Raymond a tryout in order to push Leafs young players and prospects in an attempt to get them to earn that 3rd line spot. Attempting to see what the organization had internally that could help the parent team.

However as it has turned out Raymond has had little to no competition for that spot as most of the contenders were cut early after being nearly invisible, which must be very discouraging for management overall.

Now Raymond looks like a brilliant move by Nonis as he has taken that opportunity and ran with it and looks like an automatic for that spot, and actually impressing in his contributions to securing it on merit.
Why would you suspect that? So far his MO has seemed to be pretty clear: he feels after 48 games now is the time to load up and make a push by adding vets. See Clarkson, Bolland, Raymond.....

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09-20-2013, 12:17 PM
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Neat Mason Raymond fact:

His first name is the last name of a television character who's first name in real life is the same as Masons last name...

Perry Mason/Raymond Burr


Carry on.....
Well isn't that interesting...now I want to think of another example...

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Why would you suspect that? So far his MO has seemed to be pretty clear: he feels after 48 games now is the time to load up and make a push by adding vets. See Clarkson, Bolland, Raymond.....
See anyone in the system that is capable of replacing Clarkson, Bolland, Raymond ?

You fill roster holes when you don't have the resources internally and that is exactly the reality of their additions.

Clarkson and Bolland have no challengers and Raymond has proven that even for a depth bottom 6, 3rd line role the organization is a black hole for competition.

The Hockey News ranks the Leafs prospect system near the bottom of the NHL team rankings and exhibition season and viewings certainly hasn't disputed that belief.

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However.....
he could be too good

And another team gives him a better offer

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Neat Mason Raymond fact:

His first name is the last name of a television character who's first name in real life is the same as Masons last name...

Perry Mason/Raymond Burr


Carry on.....
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Well isn't that interesting...now I want to think of another example...
Would you believe the character of Neil Curtis on Days of Our Lives was played by Joseph Gallison from 1974 to 1991?

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See anyone in the system that is capable of replacing Clarkson, Bolland, Raymond ?

You fill roster holes when you don't have the resources internally and that is exactly the reality of their additions.

Clarkson and Bolland have no challengers and Raymond has proven that even for a depth bottom 6, 3rd line role the organization is a black hole for competition.

The Hockey News ranks the Leafs prospect system near the bottom of the NHL team rankings and exhibition season and viewings certainly hasn't disputed that belief.
Were still getting out of the horrible period where we moved 1st rounder after 1st rounder. It takes more than 3-4 years of 1st round picks/drafts to get out of that cycle. You need guys to develop in your system, internal competition etc and create that culture.

The last two years are the first time since 00/01 that we've kept our own firsts. 08/09 we traded our 1st + 2nd to get Schenn (not our pick) and 05/06 we picked Rask and Tlusty who were both traded. That is sickening right there.

Nonis has a history of being very big on the draft and keeping draft picks. We've turned a corner hopefully, now that Burke is gone and we will be putting big emphasis on the draft.

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09-20-2013, 12:59 PM
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However.....
he could be too good

And another team gives him a better offer
Time to load up the Dion cannon?

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See anyone in the system that is capable of replacing Clarkson, Bolland, Raymond ?

You fill roster holes when you don't have the resources internally and that is exactly the reality of their additions.

Clarkson and Bolland have no challengers and Raymond has proven that even for a depth bottom 6, 3rd line role the organization is a black hole for competition.

The Hockey News ranks the Leafs prospect system near the bottom of the NHL team rankings and exhibition season and viewings certainly hasn't disputed that belief.
I think guys like Biggs, Gauthier and Broll qualify as good prospects to fill those roles.

The Leafs lack high-end talent in the system but with the NHL roster as young as it is I don't believe this to be a concern at present.

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He has to make the team first, but if he does, the negotiations have already been handled.

Unrestricted free agent Mason Raymond, who is participating in the Toronto Maple Leafs’ training camp on a professional tryout, will sign a one-year deal with the club for $925,000, reports Hockey Central insider and former Columbus Blue Jackets GM Doug MacLean. If he makes the cut.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/r...arranged-deal/

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If it wasen't clear before pre-season...it should be clear now that our hockey club needs Mason Raymond. He's been very exciting to watch and seems to have chemistry with whom ever Carlyle has put him on the ice with. Chalk that up to the ole' "gotta prove myself". Great move by Nonis no doubt.

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See anyone in the system that is capable of replacing Clarkson, Bolland, Raymond ?

You fill roster holes when you don't have the resources internally and that is exactly the reality of their additions.

Clarkson and Bolland have no challengers and Raymond has proven that even for a depth bottom 6, 3rd line role the organization is a black hole for competition.

The Hockey News ranks the Leafs prospect system near the bottom of the NHL team rankings and exhibition season and viewings certainly hasn't disputed that belief.
Nonsense. The Leafs D prospects are possibly the best in the NHL. Young kids like Gardiner, Rielly, Percy, MacWilliam are all but guaranteed to be NHLers, and likely top end guys. Then there's also Finn, Blacker. We won't even have room to accommodate them all with our current NHLers.

As far as forwards, Briggs, Broll, Devane, Ashton should be knocking on the door for bottom 6 duty soon enough (Gauthier a little later). Not sure how you can expect top end forwards when we've been drafting D with our high picks. Our top-6 forwards will be around for a long time anyways, they don't need to be replaced for a long while.

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He has to make the team first, but if he does, the negotiations have already been handled.

Unrestricted free agent Mason Raymond, who is participating in the Toronto Maple Leafs’ training camp on a professional tryout, will sign a one-year deal with the club for $925,000, reports Hockey Central insider and former Columbus Blue Jackets GM Doug MacLean. If he makes the cut.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/r...arranged-deal/
He's made the cut at this point. He adds another dimension to the team. Raymond-Bolland-Kulemin would be a very good 3rd line. Considering the price, as well as his play, they have to fit him in the under the cap somehow.

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Were still getting out of the horrible period where we moved 1st rounder after 1st rounder. It takes more than 3-4 years of 1st round picks/drafts to get out of that cycle. You need guys to develop in your system, internal competition etc and create that culture.

The last two years are the first time since 00/01 that we've kept our own firsts. 08/09 we traded our 1st + 2nd to get Schenn (not our pick) and 05/06 we picked Rask and Tlusty who were both traded. That is sickening right there.

Nonis has a history of being very big on the draft and keeping draft picks. We've turned a corner hopefully, now that Burke is gone and we will be putting big emphasis on the draft.
Since Nonis became GM:

Picks in:
2014 4th (Brown)
2014 4th (Lombardi)
2014 7th (Steckel)

Picks out:
2014/2015 2nd (Bernier)
2013 2nd (Bolland)
2013 4th (Bolland)
2014 4th (Bolland)
2014 4th (O’Byrne)

The Leafs may not be moving firsts but they're still moving out more picks than they're acquiring.

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He has to make the team first, but if he does, the negotiations have already been handled.

Unrestricted free agent Mason Raymond, who is participating in the Toronto Maple Leafs’ training camp on a professional tryout, will sign a one-year deal with the club for $925,000, reports Hockey Central insider and former Columbus Blue Jackets GM Doug MacLean. If he makes the cut.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/r...arranged-deal/
They said that like last week and Raymond's agent said it wasn't true

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See anyone in the system that is capable of replacing Clarkson, Bolland, Raymond ?

You fill roster holes when you don't have the resources internally and that is exactly the reality of their additions.

Clarkson and Bolland have no challengers and Raymond has proven that even for a depth bottom 6, 3rd line role the organization is a black hole for competition.

The Hockey News ranks the Leafs prospect system near the bottom of the NHL team rankings and exhibition season and viewings certainly hasn't disputed that belief.
So which is it? You just claimed they were brought in to cause the young guys to compete yet you seem to have already concluded in advance there was no one in the system who could. Even if there wasn't, I thought our goal was to "play the kids and accept what comes"? 3rd line wing? Throw D'Amigo in (instead of giving him one game) instead of Raymond. He's stellar defensively and a physical tank who thrives in playoffs. 3rd line C? seems like a great spot for Colborne to learn (though I'd prefer the awesome potential of Kulemin-McClement-D'Amigo) rather than exhausting multiple draft picks for one year of a close to $4M player on a team that isn't in contend mode yet. Re-sign Orr? Why not throw in Devane? Certainly a more capable hockey player.

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Neat Mason Raymond fact:

His first name is the last name of a television character who's first name in real life is the same as Masons last name...

Perry Mason/Raymond Burr


Carry on.....
Mason Raymond
Carter Ashton
Morgan Rielly

Are the Leafs trying to corner the market on players who have two surnames?

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Since Nonis became GM:

Picks in:
2014 4th (Brown)
2014 4th (Lombardi)
2014 7th (Steckel)

Picks out:
2014/2015 2nd (Bernier)
2013 2nd (Bolland)
2013 4th (Bolland)
2014 4th (Bolland)
2014 4th (O’Byrne)

The Leafs may not be moving firsts but they're still moving out more picks than they're acquiring.
Nothing significant, though, other than the 2nds which are unlikely to be as good as Bernier or Bolland anyway. I think what he meant is that gone are the days of trading 1sts for the likes of Vesa Toskala and Andrew Raycroft, as well as giving up on our own high picks so quickly.

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If it wasen't clear before pre-season...it should be clear now that our hockey club needs Mason Raymond. He's been very exciting to watch and seems to have chemistry with whom ever Carlyle has put him on the ice with. Chalk that up to the ole' "gotta prove myself". Great move by Nonis no doubt.
Mason Raymond for Clark MacArthur

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Since Nonis became GM:

Picks in:
2014 4th (Brown)
2014 4th (Lombardi)
2014 7th (Steckel)

Picks out:
2014/2015 2nd (Bernier)
2013 2nd (Bolland)
2013 4th (Bolland)
2014 4th (Bolland)
2014 4th (O’Byrne)

The Leafs may not be moving firsts but they're still moving out more picks than they're acquiring.
i think the main difference here is that burke came in when we were rebuilding/retooling (a time when we should've been acquiring more picks) whereas nonis has a playoff team and is trying to add quality pieces.

Teams that are contending for the cup tend to trade more picks since they are trying to add final pieces. As long as nonis doesn't trade 1st round picks ill be happy

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Since Nonis became GM:

Picks in:
2014 4th (Brown)
2014 4th (Lombardi)
2014 7th (Steckel)

Picks out:
2014/2015 2nd (Bernier)
2013 2nd (Bolland)
2013 4th (Bolland)
2014 4th (Bolland)
2014 4th (O’Byrne)

The Leafs may not be moving firsts but they're still moving out more picks than they're acquiring.
Dont care about 4th rounders(whose the last good 4th rounder we had? Frattin maybe 7 years ago? Reimer?)

and Bolland+Bernier look to be damn good players, I doubt a 2nd round guy will change that.

We are a playoff team now, playoff teams get rid of picks to win now.

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