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09-12-2013, 12:04 PM
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And some say that the defense isn't a problem....you just need some Price miracles and we'll be fine.....not sure what they're smoking. That defense is average....and that's on a good day.
This defense really isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be. It's right around the average. Slighlty below on bad games, and slightly above on good games.

If Price keeps the goals as good as he's being paid this season, there's no reason why it would be abused.

There are a couple of "if"s players, that being said, Price is one of them.

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This defense really isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be. It's right around the average. Slighlty below on bad games, and slightly above on good games.

If Price keeps the goals as good as he's being paid this season, there's no reason why it would be abused.

There are a couple of "if"s players, that being said, Price is one of them.
The entire bottom half are 'if' players. Diaz needs to come back to form, and Murray and Bouillon need to turn back time a few years. That's assuming Markov doesn't regress a bit with age this year and we get the gorges from 2 years ago back. The defense on this team is it's biggest problem.

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Martin Reway....future Pavel Bure. I think we can start with that and go from there....
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This defense really isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be. It's right around the average. Slighlty below on bad games, and slightly above on good games.

If Price keeps the goals as good as he's being paid this season, there's no reason why it would be abused.

There are a couple of "if"s players, that being said, Price is one of them.
Come on. Bottom pairing is filled with 2 guys that could be retiring in 1 year. You have Diaz who is a tremendous question mark. A Markov who is slowing down year after year and Gorges who is good yet, has really his limitations. But you are saved by the Norris winner. So, yes, if Subban can play 30 minutes a game...we're not that bad. But since he won't, this D is average to mediocre. So you need a great Price, which he has to be, but he has all the pressure. The idea was to build a defense that could take some of it....not happening.

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Come on. Bottom pairing is filled with 2 guys that could be retiring in 1 year. You have Diaz who is a tremendous question mark. A Markov who is slowing down year after year and Gorges who is good yet, has really his limitations. But you are saved by the Norris winner. So, yes, if Subban can play 30 minutes a game...we're not that bad. But since he won't, this D is average to mediocre. So you need a great Price, which he has to be, but he has all the pressure. The idea was to build a defense that could take some of it....not happening.
Why not just copy my post?



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So Collberg is hurt....again. I mean, can we just dissolute the Canadiens name...start over under a new name so that this ****ing injury bug leaves us alone?

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2-2. No shootout.

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Come on. Bottom pairing is filled with 2 guys that could be retiring in 1 year. You have Diaz who is a tremendous question mark. A Markov who is slowing down year after year and Gorges who is good yet, has really his limitations. But you are saved by the Norris winner. So, yes, if Subban can play 30 minutes a game...we're not that bad. But since he won't, this D is average to mediocre. So you need a great Price, which he has to be, but he has all the pressure. The idea was to build a defense that could take some of it....not happening.
Markov slowing down is still a very good defencemen, plus Emelin will be back soon enough, the top 4 with Emelin back is better than average.

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Markov slowing down is still a very good defencemen, plus Emelin will be back soon enough, the top 4 with Emelin back is better than average.
Pretty sure I'm talking about right now. And Emelin...well at best it's November which probably means January. So until he's really there, that is the D we have. And don't forget that once he comes back...he needs to get going. Needs to get his game shape and so on....Emelin won't be Emelin maybe until the playoffs or next year. So I'm not counting him in.

Markov slowing down is good d-man that will help the PP but I don't see him as effective as he used to be 5 on 5. So we'll see how he's able to work in a 82-game season. Will it be better for him 'cause games won't be too close to each other? Or will it be tougher 'cause more games? Remains to be seen.

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Martin Reway and Louis Leblanc are in the top 6 for the 1st regular season game.

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This defense really isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be. It's right around the average. Slighlty below on bad games, and slightly above on good games.

If Price keeps the goals as good as he's being paid this season, there's no reason why it would be abused.

There are a couple of "if"s players, that being said, Price is one of them.
Murray and Bouillon are #7 d-men on a good team. Markov's still good but clearly on the downside of his career, close to being a PP specialist only. Gorges is ok courage and leadership wise, but on the ice, he only blocks shot, nothing else; no creativity, only put the puck on the boards, and no physicality -- all stuff you ask from a #6 d-man, like it or not. Diaz is a one dimensional d-man, but I'm ok with him if he comes back to his play from early last year. Subban is a Norris and Therrien won't have any choice but to play him 30-35 minutes a game like the bests. Emelin belongs in any d-squad, I agree, but he's injured long term.

That is a pretty thin d-squad if you ask me. "Norris-Subban" makes it OK on good days, nothing else.

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So Collberg is hurt....again. I mean, can we just dissolute the Canadiens name...start over under a new name so that this ****ing injury bug leaves us alone?
Sebustian Collbust

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Collberg and Hudon scares me injurywise.

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Murray and Bouillon are #7 d-men on a good team. Markov's still good but clearly on the downside of his career, close to being a PP specialist only. Gorges is ok courage and leadership wise, but on the ice, he only blocks shot, nothing else; no creativity, only put the puck on the boards, and no physicality -- all stuff you ask from a #6 d-man, like it or not. Diaz is a one dimensional d-man, but I'm ok with him if he comes back to his play from early last year. Subban is a Norris and Therrien won't have any choice but to play him 30-35 minutes a game like the bests. Emelin belongs in any d-squad, I agree, but he's injured long term.

That is a pretty thin d-squad if you ask me. "Norris-Subban" makes it OK on good days, nothing else.
It seems that everyone has forgotten that Bergevin began preaching patience from the day he arrived and after one good year, we suddenly want the process accelerated.

I don't see it happening. The evidence is in the fact that Bergevin has clearly signed a guy like Murray and kept Bouillon around to enable this transition to take place. I am sure he could have over-paid in terms salary or giving up assets to round out the defense a little more but when next year rolls around he has a big problem.

Why make a move to acquire a mid-tier defenseman when there are several candidates right around the corner and who are already in our system.

By the end of the year, our defense could look far different from the opening day roster but it isn't a decision you can make ahead of time. The AHL prospects will be evaluated on an ongoing basis to determine what that decision might be. I agree with Overlords that defense remains a question mark but with the prospects we have it also has the greatest potential.

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Collberg and Hudon scares me injurywise.
I don't think you are alone there. It would be a shame for all concerned if their careers are shortened by injury... especially for the players themselves.

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Murray and Bouillon are #7 d-men on a good team. Markov's still good but clearly on the downside of his career, close to being a PP specialist only. Gorges is ok courage and leadership wise, but on the ice, he only blocks shot, nothing else; no creativity, only put the puck on the boards, and no physicality -- all stuff you ask from a #6 d-man, like it or not. Diaz is a one dimensional d-man, but I'm ok with him if he comes back to his play from early last year. Subban is a Norris and Therrien won't have any choice but to play him 30-35 minutes a game like the bests. Emelin belongs in any d-squad, I agree, but he's injured long term.

That is a pretty thin d-squad if you ask me. "Norris-Subban" makes it OK on good days, nothing else.
A bit much, don't you think?

Last year Markov was, at the very least, a high-end #2 D, and I would argue still an average #1 D. People talk about him like all he can do is sit at the point on the PP, but he's still an extremely reliable top-pairing defensemen. That's how I see him until he shows me he is no longer capable.

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And some say that the defense isn't a problem....you just need some Price miracles and we'll be fine.....not sure what they're smoking. That defense is average....and that's on a good day.
Not sure where you get that the defense is a big issue. It was among the best in the NHL last year. As skilled as any in the NHL. I look around the NHL and don't see anybody with a defense that is miles ahead, especially with Emelin back. When Markov and Subban are both in the lineup the defense is a strenghth not a weakness.

The GAA last year was 2.48 with Price having a mediocre year. Price was 45th overall in save %.

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