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09-16-2013, 01:00 PM
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How did Drouin look? Any chance for him to play on the Stamkos line?

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Even if the forward covered for him correctly, do you really want a forward defending the point when Stamkos and Marty are on the ice against you.
No but it probably would have changed the outcome of the play.

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How did Drouin look? Any chance for him to play on the Stamkos line?
Doubt it.
He was pretty much invisible except when Nate Thompson was schooling him in the faceoff circle (expected because he's being tried at Center).

He had a better 2nd half with his linemates Namestnikov and Connolly (did most of the work).
In his defense, he was playing against Crombeen / Thompson / Palat. This line flashed all over the place and Palat looked like the best Forward on the ice imo.

It would not surprise me in the least to see Drouin get his 9 games and then be sent back to Halifax.

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09-16-2013, 01:16 PM
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Doubt it.
He was pretty much invisible except when Nate Thompson was schooling him in the faceoff circle (expected because he's being tried at Center).

He had a better 2nd half with his linemates Namestnikov and Connolly (did most of the work).
In his defense, he was playing against Crombeen / Thompson / Palat. This line flashed all over the place and Palat looked like the best Forward on the ice imo.

It would not surprise me in the least to see Drouin get his 9 games and then be sent back to Halifax.
Oh, wow. Very surprising, but then again the kid is still very young.

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Wish I could of watched this.

Good to read that Palat and Connolly played well. How was Barberio?

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I thought Barberio showed his good puck skills a few times, and he battled for the puck better than he did in his 2 games last year. He did pretty well. Matt Carle with better hands.

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Yeah, I'm not the biggest Barberio fan and I thought he did pretty well today. Grain of salt, I only got to watch the second half....

Also, was it just me or did anyone else think that Witkowski did alright today?

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philadelphiaflyers.com is apparently going to stream their game with the Caps tonight. Vinny should be in this game.

The Flyers are actually doing a split squad game against the Leafs as well. Not sure about the streaming on that.

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Cooper after the scrimmage video

http://tbo.com/sports/lightning/bolt...medium=twitter
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The rosters will be shuffled for Tuesday’s scrimmage, Cooper said, with some players who didn’t play Monday getting an opportunity. The scrimmage is open to the public starting at 11:30 a.m. and will be streamed live on www.tampabaylightning.com, with radio voice Dave Mishkin providing the play-by-play.
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Twice during the scrimmage, Cooper stopped play to offer direction about what he wanted to see in particular situations, though he said not to expect that on Tuesday.

“Sometimes when you let it wait, all of a sudden the scenario is forgotten,” he said. “So, I felt it was important to go out there in a few situations and talk about it. Guys have to learn ...and we have a lot of work to do. But if they keep giving the same effort they have been giving, this is a great base to start with.’’

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09-16-2013, 06:01 PM
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It was just a scrimmage, but let's pretend Connolly and Palat continue to outplay everyone else and unexpectedly make the team. What would that do to the lineup.

Malone-Stamkos-St.Louis
Killorn-Filppula-Purcell
Palat-Johnson-Connolly
Labrie-Thompson-Crombeen
Pyatt

Pretty good looking lineup. Drouin would spend a year in the CHL, Panik would get called up if Malone gets injured. If Filp struggles offensively, he and Johnson could switch lines. Fourth line has grit and energy. I'm not saying it will go this way, but it's a very viable lineup. I'm not sure when our first cuts will be, some teams have already begun, but it won't be long before we find out.

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09-16-2013, 06:32 PM
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Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be completely surprised if they told Drouin to go back down to the C and work on being a center.

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Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be completely surprised if they told Drouin to go back down to the C and work on being a center.
Can you imagine all the bust tall that would happened on the main boards. And all the stupid trades...dear god.

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09-16-2013, 07:48 PM
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Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be completely surprised if they told Drouin to go back down to the C and work on being a center.
Hmm... this would be curious to see. We need the center depth for sure, but I wonder if Drouin would be better off on the wing. I guess we can all just wait and see on this one. Hopefully he looks better tomorrow.

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09-16-2013, 08:07 PM
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It was just a scrimmage, but let's pretend Connolly and Palat continue to outplay everyone else and unexpectedly make the team. What would that do to the lineup.

Malone-Stamkos-St.Louis
Killorn-Filppula-Purcell
Palat-Johnson-Connolly
Labrie-Thompson-Crombeen
Pyatt

Pretty good looking lineup. Drouin would spend a year in the CHL, Panik would get called up if Malone gets injured. If Filp struggles offensively, he and Johnson could switch lines. Fourth line has grit and energy. I'm not saying it will go this way, but it's a very viable lineup. I'm not sure when our first cuts will be, some teams have already begun, but it won't be long before we find out.
I wouldn't say it's unexpected if they both make the team. Palat played good on his call up and Connolly has the talent we've just been waiting for him to put the effort in.

We are paying Filp way too much to play on the 3rd line, we can move him to the wing and drop Killorn to 3rd line, move up Johnson and Thompson, Pyatt to 4C and Palat for Labrie. We'd have lots of options for the 2/3rd lines. I don't like Drouin at C as I don't think he's big enough or has the two way game. Prefer his playmaking on the wing. Hopefully Namestnikov shows he can be a 2C this year so we can be set for the future.

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09-16-2013, 08:13 PM
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Anyone know when they plan on announcing which prospects are going back to their clubs in junior or Syracuse or cut? Expect Erne and Koekkoek to go till the end of preseason.

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Anyone know when they plan on announcing which prospects are going back to their clubs in junior or Syracuse or cut? Expect Erne and Koekkoek to go till the end of preseason.
I heard they weren't making cuts until after the 4 preseason games. If that's true guess it means they are giving everybody a good long look.

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Why do people always say Drouin is so small? He isn't that small... 5'11", 186 lbs. That's not that small. Could he stand to gain a few pounds? Sure, but he's only 18. Stamkos is only an inch taller and 4 pounds heavier.

Also, I didn't mean to sound like I was knocking the kid in my previous post. Just saying it wouldn't surprise me.

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Anyone know when they plan on announcing which prospects are going back to their clubs in junior or Syracuse or cut? Expect Erne and Koekkoek to go till the end of preseason.
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I heard they weren't making cuts until after the 4 preseason games. If that's true guess it means they are giving everybody a good long look.
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The Syracuse players will then leave Sept. 23 for the Mary Brown Cup preseason tournament in St. John's, Newfoundland.
The 4th preseason game is the 21st and the 5th is on the 24th, so that sounds right.

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09-16-2013, 10:38 PM
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Why do people always say Drouin is so small? He isn't that small... 5'11", 186 lbs. That's not that small. Could he stand to gain a few pounds? Sure, but he's only 18. Stamkos is only an inch taller and 4 pounds heavier.

Also, I didn't mean to sound like I was knocking the kid in my previous post. Just saying it wouldn't surprise me.
He's not small in normal terms but in hockey he's below average sized. With Stamkos, Thompson, Filppula being only slightly bigger and Johnson really small there's no size down the middle. You'd ideally like one big bodied C to either be a matchup problem or shut down guy. Namestnikov isn't big either so we do need some size going forward. We are really gonna miss Vinny this year.

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What's the reasoning behind moving Drouin to center again?

Makes absolutely no sense to me, kids a natural winger if we want a center, draft one or trade for one, not just force some kid we think would make a great center into one.

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What's the reasoning behind moving Drouin to center again?

Makes absolutely no sense to me, kids a natural winger if we want a center, draft one or trade for one, not just force some kid we think would make a great center into one.
They're trying him out at centre to see if it's a better fit. If it works and he's better then we just made our team better. If it doesn't then we only wasted a couple preseason games of winger development. They're not permanently moving him nor are they forcing him into being a centre.

Maybe the only reason he's a "natural winger" was so he could play with Mackinnon easier.

I'm fine with Cooper & Co. fully evaluating all of our prospects to make sure we're not missing out on potential to maximize. It's been a foregone conclusion since draft day that he'll get 9 games in the NHL. I'm sure we'll be able to see plenty of winger Drouey then.

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Cooper has told players he expects them to play a gritty, physical, sandpaper-like game. And if things get rough, he expects players to stick up for each other with a mentality he compared to a "wolf pack."

"When you play the game hard, eventually you're going to (tick) somebody off," Cooper said at the Tampa Bay Times Forum. "When that happens, you can't run to the back of the line. You have to stick up for yourselves, and that's what we talk about, doing that as a unit."

"The message is clear: You stick up for your teammates and you play hard-nosed," said right wing Dana Tyrell, who played for Cooper last season at Syracuse, which was second in the AHL with 99 fights. "Everybody knows he likes to score goals and defense comes first. But if push comes to shove, you have to be willing to do whatever it takes for the team."
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Even so, Cooper said, "There's a little bit of intimidation still involved, and if you can pull that edge ahead of somebody else, why wouldn't you take advantage of that? You can play a brand of hockey where a team looks at the game and says, 'This is going to be a tough one. We're going to have to button the chin straps.' It can wear on teams."
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"This is a hard way to play. We have to build a mind-set. But in saying that, players have not gotten to this level without having some sort of fight in them. When it becomes part of your DNA and you see the results, then it just becomes another habit. But it takes time. You need players with the right fame of mind, but it's easier to build a wolf pack than having a lone wolf do it."
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Said Radko Gudas, who played three years for Cooper in the AHL: "Finish your checks and do the little things more physical. It will start to get into the mentality of the team from one player to another."
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"Not that it wasn't there in the past year," Tampa Bay right wing B.J. Crombeen said. "But we're going to make sure it's there every single night and every guy is willing to do what it takes to help the team stand together."

And that, Neilson said, builds bonds: "That's what you're talking about when you win that one-goal game and you're in the dressing room sweating together, bleeding together. It translates to good things in the locker room."
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Actually, the Lightning fought a lot last season. Its 31 bouts were fifth in the NHL, and Crombeen led the league with 14. Still, there is no true heavyweight. Not that it matters to Cooper.

"You can say Team A is really tough because they have the toughest guy in the league," he said. "But I'll take the team with a bunch of guys that game it out. That is the tough team."
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What's the reasoning behind moving Drouin to center again?

Makes absolutely no sense to me, kids a natural winger if we want a center, draft one or trade for one, not just force some kid we think would make a great center into one.
They didn't like that the puck was never on his stick in the rookie tournament. They tried him at center to see if he could get more puck possession time.

Doesn't work if he never wins faceoffs.

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