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09-24-2013, 09:14 AM
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Mark Fraser for a late pick

Servicable 3rd pairing defenseman on a 1 year deal worth 1.275m. Would any team have the capspace and be willing to use it to add depth at D?

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. Canucks would take him for 3rd round pick.

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. Canucks would take him for 3rd round pick.
really?

pretty sure nonis would take that and run. an additional $1.275 million would probably give him enough to get franson signed.

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09-24-2013, 03:04 PM
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I highly doubt Fraser is going to be traded after just signing a contract, not that he should be.

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Carlyle loves him, he won't be moved to free up space. The Leafs defense is soft as butter without Fraser.

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His value is a 3rd round pick, but no need to move him if Franson isn't re-signed. Quality #6.

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I highly doubt Toronto deals him. They're likely to deal one of McLaren, or Orr, unless they're going to make Raymond, or someone else a 13th forward and continue to play 2 13th forwards.

I just went to check the Leafs roster to see what forwards would take his place. What I noticed is A, they don't really have an option other than McLaren and Orr and B Orr isn't on the list.

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a number six defenceman is not worth a third round pick.

they are a dime a dozen.

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His value is a 3rd round pick, but no need to move him if Franson isn't re-signed. Quality #6.
I agree that Fraser is a quality 3rd pairing defensemen. The reason for moving him would be to clear up capspace for Franson. I can't think of anyone else on our NHL roster who we could (or would) move to facilitate a Franson signing other than Fraser and Kulemin, and I would much rather keep Kulemin on this team.

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The reason for moving him would be to clear up capspace for Franson.
The Leafs have ~1M in cap right now and should end up with somewhere around 2-2.2M after cuts are made. There is no way Nonis will be trading a roster player to give Franson more money. Franson's stubborness has gotten him to this point and cap space has dwindled to even less than it was when negotiations began.

Nonis' stance hasn't softened any on the contract demands and rightfully so. Franson is the one risking the most by sitting out. Nonis knows Franson has to play (especially if it's a 1-yr deal he's looking for) and if he wants to play, he'll have to take what the Leafs can offer.

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Fraser is more important to the leafs than Franson. We have primarily all around players, and offensive guys. Fraser is one of the few tough, stay at home defender types.

Id rather see us move Franson for futures at this point.

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The Leafs have ~1M in cap right now and should end up with somewhere around 2-2.2M after cuts are made. There is no way Nonis will be trading a roster player to give Franson more money. Franson's stubborness has gotten him to this point and cap space has dwindled to even less than it was when negotiations began.

Nonis' stance hasn't softened any on the contract demands and rightfully so. Franson is the one risking the most by sitting out. Nonis knows Franson has to play (especially if it's a 1-yr deal he's looking for) and if he wants to play, he'll have to take what the Leafs can offer.
It's true that his leverage is dwindling. We'll have 2.33 million in space with Holzer and Smith demoted. Could be enough for a one year deal but we'll need more for two. Also just realized that we'll have to account for an extra body due to Clarkson's suspension. Tricky situation for Nonis.

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Funny how much Fraser is valued. He was #8 on the team depth chart when he was with the Devils and now would be even further down with all of our D men much better than him. If the Canucks wanted a D-man they probably could get one from NJ. We've got too many extra.

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3rd lol ya right, good luck with that

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It's true that his leverage is dwindling. We'll have 2.33 million in space with Holzer and Smith demoted. Could be enough for a one year deal but we'll need more for two. Also just realized that we'll have to account for an extra body due to Clarkson's suspension. Tricky situation for Nonis.
The problem with that is Holzer would have to be exposed to waivers and a team would certainly pick him up.

Of we could trade Fraser for an asset in a mid to late round pick and save almost 500K with having Holzer in the lineup. Holzer is also signed for 2 years well Fraser is only signed for this season.

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09-24-2013, 06:27 PM
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It's true that his leverage is dwindling. We'll have 2.33 million in space with Holzer and Smith demoted. Could be enough for a one year deal but we'll need more for two. Also just realized that we'll have to account for an extra body due to Clarkson's suspension. Tricky situation for Nonis.
The thing is; it's tough luck for Franson if that's all that's leftover. IMO it's at the point that Franson really has no leverage at all and Nonis just has to wait for him to accept the deal on the table. Franson made a risky move by holding out (even for this short amount of time) as now there's not enough cap space to probably even give him what he was originally offered.

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Carlyle loves him, he won't be moved to free up space. The Leafs defense is soft as butter without Fraser.
This.

Trading Fraser would leave Phaneuf as the only guy who can clear the crease.

I could care less about exposing Holzer to waivers.. if someone wants him they can have him.

Not sure if the OP noticed but Fraser was playing nearly 18 MPG for us when we fought back from being down 3-1 in the opening round against Boston.

He's not going anywhere.

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Funny how much Fraser is valued. He was #8 on the team depth chart when he was with the Devils and now would be even further down with all of our D men much better than him. If the Canucks wanted a D-man they probably could get one from NJ. We've got too many extra.
You're absolutely right. It's impossible that he improved since his time with New Jersey... everyone knows players get worse as they enter their prime.

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Fraser is more important to the leafs than Franson. We have primarily all around players, and offensive guys. Fraser is one of the few tough, stay at home defender types.

Id rather see us move Franson for futures at this point.
Absolutely false.

Franson imo is our 2nd/3rd most important Dman. The amount of offense he provides is amazing, + he's not bad defensively and is very physical.

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Trading Fraser would leave Phaneuf as the only guy who can clear the crease.
I'm sorry. I like Phaneuf but he never does that.

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I'm sorry. I like Phaneuf but he never does that.
...yes he does.

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The problem with that is Holzer would have to be exposed to waivers and a team would certainly pick him up.

Of we could trade Fraser for an asset in a mid to late round pick and save almost 500K with having Holzer in the lineup. Holzer is also signed for 2 years well Fraser is only signed for this season.
That's what I had in mind. Trade Fraser for cap relief, demote Smith, then sign Franson to a 2 year deal. This way we keep Liles and Holzer up as our 6th and 7th D and maintain a 22 player roster.

Of course this all hinges on Franson signing for 2/2.8 or less which is pretty unlikely now that I think about it. Like someone said, a one year deal seems more realistic with our available capspace.

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