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12-27-2013, 07:16 PM
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Sounds like Vey was scratched because he didn't get his ass back to MCH in time for the morning skate. Pretty typical move by Kings' management. They don't put up with that kind of stuff.

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12-27-2013, 08:36 PM
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Just saw that Kopi is +20,3rd in the NHL
Yes, Kopi has finally caught up to Penner.

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12-28-2013, 09:12 AM
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With Mitchell going on the road trip is there a trade coming up? If everyone gets healthy there are too many bodies....

I'm just getting my hopes up... Fraser will go on LTIR with a hangnail.

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12-28-2013, 09:31 AM
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Nope, don't think so ? One extra D-man (Mitchell), Two extra forwards (Frattin, Carcillo), and when Quick comes off IR, Jones goes back to Manchester.

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12-28-2013, 10:18 AM
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Nope, don't think so ? One extra D-man (Mitchell), Two extra forwards (Frattin, Carcillo), and when Quick comes off IR, Jones goes back to Manchester.
Yeah nvm... can't count apparently.

edit: Ellerby's the guy I forgot about that was moved to make space for Toffoli..


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So, where's all the big trade announcements?

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12-28-2013, 02:29 PM
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Here is one!

No trades were made.


That is all.

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12-28-2013, 04:21 PM
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Here is one!

No trades were made.


That is all.
Boo!

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12-28-2013, 07:33 PM
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12-29-2013, 08:03 AM
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A trades not looking so bad now huh? Maybe just maybe if all goes well on this road trip and Vancouver catches the Kings in the standings DL will get off his butt and get an option that allows Lewis to move to the 4th line.

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12-29-2013, 08:08 AM
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Takes two to trade, and everyone is against the Cap.

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12-29-2013, 09:08 AM
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Takes two to trade, and everyone is against the Cap.
Yeah you're right. There is no way DL can find an upgrade from Lewis. Tell you the truth... I love cheering for Lewis when he's on a breakaway. Just some good Schadenfreude...

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12-29-2013, 09:46 AM
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I thought it took 10 to trade...

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12-29-2013, 09:48 AM
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Takes two to trade, and everyone is against the Cap.

No, not every team is up against the CAP. Take a look at the bottom 10 NHL teams ,

http://www.capgeek.com/

The last 10 teams on that list have from 10 to 68 million (FLA) in Deadline Cap space.
And some teams , like montreal, who could be a playoff team might want to upgrade, others who aren't , like FLA will be trading for the future and have plenty of room.

There are trade partners out there.

Chicago, for example, got Versteeg and got the Panthers to eat half his salary for the duration of the contract. Fla has a LOAD of room and whose to say they wouldn't do that in a deal for Fleischman? He'd be an upgrade at LW and with TT and MR would be a good 2nd line.

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12-29-2013, 12:34 PM
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Fla has a LOAD of room and whose to say they wouldn't do that in a deal for Fleischman? He'd be an upgrade at LW and with TT and MR would be a good 2nd line.
Fleischman has skill, but he doesn't fit that line at all. Too small and soft, that line needs Dwight King-type of player.

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12-29-2013, 12:40 PM
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No, not every team is up against the CAP. Take a look at the bottom 10 NHL teams ,

http://www.capgeek.com/

The last 10 teams on that list have from 10 to 68 million (FLA) in Deadline Cap space.
And some teams , like montreal, who could be a playoff team might want to upgrade, others who aren't , like FLA will be trading for the future and have plenty of room.

There are trade partners out there.

Chicago, for example, got Versteeg and got the Panthers to eat half his salary for the duration of the contract. Fla has a LOAD of room and whose to say they wouldn't do that in a deal for Fleischman? He'd be an upgrade at LW and with TT and MR would be a good 2nd line.
Scottie Upshall might be a better fit. He's got history with Richards and Carter, he's a left shot that can play either wing. He's got ok size with the ability to be physical when he's on his game. He can score a little and it shouldn't cost much to acquire him because he's so overpaid.

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12-29-2013, 02:01 PM
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Scottie Upshall might be a better fit. He's got history with Richards and Carter, he's a left shot that can play either wing. He's got ok size with the ability to be physical when he's on his game. He can score a little and it shouldn't cost much to acquire him because he's so overpaid.
I'd rather the Kings not add anybody if their best option is Upshall, who only has one more goal than Jordan Nolan.

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12-29-2013, 02:08 PM
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Fleischman has skill, but he doesn't fit that line at all. Too small and soft, that line needs Dwight King-type of player.
He's not that small, he's over 6 ft and he's a skilled player, a true top 6 guy who can and has scored at a pretty good clip.
This team needs that a lot more than another 'big guy' like King. And King doesn't have to stay on the 1st line. If the Kings upgrade and get a top LW, like a Fleischman , King can move to the 2nd line with TT and MR.
The bottom line is they a top LW who can score. Where he goes on the 1st 2 lines isn't important.

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12-29-2013, 02:15 PM
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Can Carter or Williams move to left wing? Would allow Frattin to play top 9 RW since he didn't do well on the left. Would also get Lewis off somewhere he has no place being.

Carter/Williams-Kopitar-Williams/Carter
King-Richards-Toffoli
Brown-Stoll-Frattin


Or find a way to get Glencross out of Calgary

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12-29-2013, 02:19 PM
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Scottie Upshall might be a better fit. He's got history with Richards and Carter, he's a left shot that can play either wing. He's got ok size with the ability to be physical when he's on his game. He can score a little and it shouldn't cost much to acquire him because he's so overpaid.
I liked him as Flyer because he was a pretty good guy, nice, funny, always pleasant when they interviewed him, stuck up for his teammates. As of 2012, still had a condo in old city Phlilly, he said he never got over being traded and loved it there. But he really doesn't have a lot of history with JC or MR as he didn't play with the much. He was one of the river rat pack (lupol, Upshall, Richards, carts amng others) that used to hang out together and party a bit too much for GM homer, who traded upshall and lupol for that reason ,to break up the boys club. But they didn't play together much.

And he's not an upgrade, he's more of what the already have. And makes too much money 3.5 for the lack of offense he's had the past few years.

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12-29-2013, 02:27 PM
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it's time for Sutter to get his head out of the sand when it comes to Lewis. enough is enough. the 'intangibles' he brings aren't enough to outweigh the complete black hole of offense that exists when he is out there. his PK and D zone play aren't enough to simply discount he brings zero on the 60' of ice on the far end of the rink. the only thing i can think of is that DS is staying with him like he did last season with King Kong, hoping he breaks out.

it's time to move Carts back with Richie, or make the adjustment to bring King or Brown on the left side with 10 - 73. Richards needs a big body on the left side to take and create space, so he can feed Toffoli. the revolving door of crap on Richards left side has not worked. the only guys DS has not moved into that spot is 23 and 74 and they are the best options.

all the strange combos DS has been tinkering with aren't working well enough to keep going back to them. the roster can improve immediately with Vey in the lineup, which means guys can better slot in and play in 'their' positions. 11-10-57-28 down the middle would mean it is easier to slot in the wingers and even tinker with 14, 77 and 73 on the 1 - 3 RW spots.

74 - 11 - 14
23 - 10 - 77
xx - 57 - 73
13 - 28 - 71

DS can move the wingers like Brown and King depending on the hot hand. he can play with JW, Carts and Toff up and down as well. the #3 & #4 LW he can play Clifford up/down, while using Carcillo, Frattin and Lewis over there.

face it LA has immediate need of a top LW and a bottom LW. this is remedied with the addition of top LW imo. say DL trades for Moulson and re-ups him this summer. now they can skate Moulson - King - Brown - Clifford down the LW side. that would end up slotting in all four into roles better fit for their skill sets. in fact that gives them three solid options for the top lines at LW. all three of those guys when they are hot can pop goals.

for years many people have believed that Brownie is playing up above his skill level on the top line. bring him down with Vey on the #3 and his stats will rise, due to playing against the opponents lower line combos. it's all about the "roll 3 or 4 lines" mentality. giving Vey and Toff a big body like Brown will also give them room to work and seams to play in.

just frustrated over this ho-hum attitude they've settled into. it's hard to stomach the fact they have an immediate improvement in Vey, but keep going back to guys that aren't producing. 2012 was fantastic, but that was two years ago. it's time to fish or cut bait

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12-29-2013, 03:37 PM
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Lewis is going nowhere until Lombardi brings in a replacement and forces Sutter's hand. There is no way he is going with anyone in house over Lewis, he hasn't in the past and as soon as Lewis came back he was immediately inserted on the LW with Richards and Toffoli.

Still don't like the idea of splitting up Kopitar and Carter, when you have two elite players you play them together, I think Sutter knows to win the West he is going to need those two playing on the top of their games together. Any other line combinations weaken the teams top end ability, 77 and 11 have to play together.

Toffoli and Richards need to stay together but they also need help, it's painfully obvious that neither one of them are good enough to carry Lewis or Clifford on the LW, they need help badly and everyone knows it.

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12-29-2013, 04:02 PM
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I wrote a post almost exactly like what you had WP and obviously I agree.

We have more than enough top 6 players (Kopitar Richie Carter Brown Williams Toffoli and so far (and likely so good) King.

Obviously we move Toffi to 3rd line RW and keep Stoll as his center so what we are lacking is a truly solid hammer for our 3rd line. Clifford *could* be that guy but a line centered by Vey with Clifford and Nolan on the wings would be a very good balance of D, grit and some O.

I certainly wouldn't put Lewis as LW on our 3rd line is it would kill any chance of O production from the left side and with the system we play that could be significant. So we could end up with a 4rth line of Lewis Vey and Nolan but that doesnt seem like we would be utilizing our assets to the optimum capabilities.

I was talking with a scout from another team a day or two ago who follows us a little bit and has worked with DL back in his Philly days and he seems to think that we should be bringing up one of our bangers from MCH (he for arguments sake is an AHL scout).

He believes that we have to be up to something by sending Vey down (a movement of some sorts) and of course there are tons of rumors around involving us but none that I have any confidence in.

I guess who knows right now how things will go but I agree that we need a solid 3rd liner to come in and give us our bang on that line (could be Clifford) and then our 4rth line simply needs Linden Vey on it which I believe will happen after the Sochi break.

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12-29-2013, 04:09 PM
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He's not that small, he's over 6 ft and he's a skilled player, a true top 6 guy who can and has scored at a pretty good clip.
This team needs that a lot more than another 'big guy' like King.
Sorry, but I see things otherwise than you or obviously most Kings-fans. I think we have enough skill, but we need another "big body on the left side to take and create space" so Kopi-Carter and Richards-Toffoli can do their job (= score goals).

Brown-Stoll-Williams -line didn't work well against Nashville, but otherwise that line has been pretty good and effective (offensively and defensively). Therefore I like to keep it together.

Fleischman is listed 6'1", 192 lbs and Colin Fraser is listed 6'1", 189 lbs. Do you think that Fraser is that big? I think that Fleischman is more like 5'11 and he is not strong at all.

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I'd rather the Kings not add anybody if their best option is Upshall, who only has one more goal than Jordan Nolan.
Looking around there just isn't much out there. Especially on the LW.

My personal preference would be to pick up Steve Ott. He's an impending UFA and he's having a stinker of a season but some of that can be forgiven when you consider the situation he's in. Mostly a Center but he can play LW. He's got a major attitude and he's a hard hitter who would look great next to Richards come Playoff time.

Not a big offensive upgrade but he's a much more complete player than Clifford, that's for damn sure. That would give us three lines that are pain in the *** to play against with skill and a hard edge throughout.

King/Kopitar/Carter
Brown/Stoll/Williams
Ott/Richards/Toffoli

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