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12-06-2013, 12:35 PM
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Someone on the main board (not a Kings fan) suggested Clifford for Mason Raymond.

I think Dean would pick up the phone and listen, not sure Toronto would make the call though.

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12-06-2013, 12:39 PM
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Cammalleri might do well in a supporting role at about $3.5M a season.

Not really sure who, given the style the Kings play, would get in on the forecheck and knock opposing defensemen off the puck on a Cammalleri - Kopitar - Williams line. Really doesn't fit the mold of what the Kings are doing in terms of size up front.

He definitely was not the guy to give $6M+ to, and build the team around.

Pretty sure Dean would never consider it. I'm paraphrasing what Dean said about Cammalleri, but it was something like, "Will always be one of the best players on not-so-great teams." That's about as damning a statement as Dean can make about a player.

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12-06-2013, 12:57 PM
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Someone on the main board (not a Kings fan) suggested Clifford for Mason Raymond.

I think Dean would pick up the phone and listen, not sure Toronto would make the call though.
We're better off unloading Frattin instead. There will be plenty of takers for Clifford but not so sure about Frattin.

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12-06-2013, 01:01 PM
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Cammalleri might do well in a supporting role at about $3.5M a season.

Not really sure who, given the style the Kings play, would get in on the forecheck and knock opposing defensemen off the puck on a Cammalleri - Kopitar - Williams line. Really doesn't fit the mold of what the Kings are doing in terms of size up front.

He definitely was not the guy to give $6M+ to, and build the team around.

Pretty sure Dean would never consider it. I'm paraphrasing what Dean said about Cammalleri, but it was something like, "Will always be one of the best players on not-so-great teams." That's about as damning a statement as Dean can make about a player.
completely agree he isn't a $6M player. i didn't care for his attitude before, but he seems to have either tempered this or changed quite a bit. he's older now so it's possible he finally matured.

the 'fit' question though is a great point. i agree, but it isn't often we see Brownie causing TO's and havoc leading to turnovers. it has been more of Kopi and JW controlling the puck and DB causing havoc in front. this season DB hasn't been the same when it comes to the forecheck and turnovers.

not saying i would favor a move for him, but i wouldn't be opposed to a change in style on that line. i like the mismatch issues this type of thing causes the opposing team. 11-14 are prime puck possession guys, which allow someone like Cami that has a nose for the net and skill to shoot.

similar to how many of us would like to see a 'speed' line to offset the defense. i like the idea of possibly having the #1 line play with a slightly different play style.

i like the 'concept' more than i like Cami. i still have a bad taste in mouth when it comes to him from years ago

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12-06-2013, 01:37 PM
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Kopitar/Williams would be fine with Cammy, they are dominant Puck possession guys.

Williams doesn't need someone on the other side to win board battles, he wins most of the one's he gets into.

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I'll buy into the puck possession argument in terms of Williams/Kopitar.

I'm with Whiskypete though, I like the concept more than the particular player being discussed, while conceding that Cammalleri could do quite well in a supporting role on the team that the Kings have today.

Would rather have a younger player like Mason Raymond though that has seemed to have worked out his health issues.

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We're better off unloading Frattin instead. There will be plenty of takers for Clifford but not so sure about Frattin.
Doubt we would be unloading Frattin back to Toronto.

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12-06-2013, 02:42 PM
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Every day I wake up hoping that Fraser is sent to Greenland but he's still here. Ugh.

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12-06-2013, 03:59 PM
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hey guys, just thought I'd pop in to say hats off to Scrivens. I always liked him in Toronto so of course I was stoked when he was traded to LA this past off-season. I always knew he was a more than capable tender, but he's really been lights out so far in LA. I was convinced his career path would follow that of a good backup, but instead I'm starting to think he may actually challenge some teams as a number one goalie. I bet Lombardi could get a very sizeable return for him if the Kings are interested in trading him assuming Scribbles can keep up somewhat similar numbers for the duration of the year.

So yeah, Go Kings. I'm happy with how great the hockey culture is out here in LA.

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12-06-2013, 04:11 PM
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hey guys, just thought I'd pop in to say hats off to Scrivens. I always liked him in Toronto so of course I was stoked when he was traded to LA this past off-season. I always knew he was a more than capable tender, but he's really been lights out so far in LA. I was convinced his career path would follow that of a good backup, but instead I'm starting to think he may actually challenge some teams as a number one goalie. I bet Lombardi could get a very sizeable return for him if the Kings are interested in trading him assuming Scribbles can keep up somewhat similar numbers for the duration of the year.

So yeah, Go Kings. I'm happy with how great the hockey culture is out here in LA.
We no longer call him Scribbles. He is now "Scriver me timbers"

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12-06-2013, 06:48 PM
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Per Bob McKenzie: "Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 3h
NHL govs likely to get (14-15) cap projection from league when they meet early next week in California. Sounds like it may be around $70M."

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12-06-2013, 07:19 PM
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Per Bob McKenzie: "Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 3h
NHL govs likely to get (14-15) cap projection from league when they meet early next week in California. Sounds like it may be around $70M."
That's an okay jump. Hoping it's lower 70's.like 72 million would be a good cap.

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12-06-2013, 07:34 PM
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ok that number sounds low. i think with what 6 outdoor games (or is it 8 i can't remember for sure) and golbal billions added to league revenue and its going going up 5 million for some reason that seem really low to me

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ok that number sounds low. i think with what 6 outdoor games (or is it 8 i can't remember for sure) and golbal billions added to league revenue and its going going up 5 million for some reason that seem really low to me
That Canadian TV deal doesn't affect league revenues until next season. We'll see the cap bump from that in 15-16.

A good article about projecting the cap here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle15627506/

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Cammalleri might do well in a supporting role at about $3.5M a season.

Not really sure who, given the style the Kings play, would get in on the forecheck and knock opposing defensemen off the puck on a Cammalleri - Kopitar - Williams line. Really doesn't fit the mold of what the Kings are doing in terms of size up front.

He definitely was not the guy to give $6M+ to, and build the team around.

Pretty sure Dean would never consider it. I'm paraphrasing what Dean said about Cammalleri, but it was something like, "Will always be one of the best players on not-so-great teams." That's about as damning a statement as Dean can make about a player.
I don't know if I agree with those comments from Lombardi. Cammalleri's 32 points in 32 playoff games beg to differ. He was a lethal threat when the Habs made a serious push and upset the Caps in the playoffs.

I don't know what happened behind the scenes but seems like Cammalleri fondly remembers his time spent in LA and still says that playing at Staples Center still feels like home (Bob Miller said so himself during the broadcast).

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Cammalleri might do well in a supporting role at about $3.5M a season.

Not really sure who, given the style the Kings play, would get in on the forecheck and knock opposing defensemen off the puck on a Cammalleri - Kopitar - Williams line. Really doesn't fit the mold of what the Kings are doing in terms of size up front.

He definitely was not the guy to give $6M+ to, and build the team around.

Pretty sure Dean would never consider it. I'm paraphrasing what Dean said about Cammalleri, but it was something like, "Will always be one of the best players on not-so-great teams." That's about as damning a statement as Dean can make about a player.

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12-09-2013, 01:14 PM
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I don't know if I agree with those comments from Lombardi. Cammalleri's 32 points in 32 playoff games beg to differ. He was a lethal threat when the Habs made a serious push and upset the Caps in the playoffs.

I don't know what happened behind the scenes but seems like Cammalleri fondly remembers his time spent in LA and still says that playing at Staples Center still feels like home (Bob Miller said so himself during the broadcast).
Yep. To this date, I don't understand all the hate for Cammy.

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Cammy was moved because he opened his mouth in the Montreal media. Is that the type of player Lombardi goes for?

He has 10 goals this year, I have been following him because he is on my fantasy team watch list. But he goes 3-4 games without a point.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...032915058.html

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Cammy was moved because he opened his mouth in the Montreal media. Is that the type of player Lombardi goes for?

He has 10 goals this year, I have been following him because he is on my fantasy team watch list. But he goes 3-4 games without a point.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...032915058.html
And just how many players do you know off hand that doesn't go 3 or 4 games without scoring a point.

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A lot. But they contribute in other ways either through there physical or defensive play...something Cammy does neither.

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A lot???

Just give me 20 names then.

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A lot???

Just give me 20 names then.
Lewis!!!!

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That's an okay jump. Hoping it's lower 70's.like 72 million would be a good cap.
the $70M was projected before the season began. DL had his cap set to that level as did other teams. no surprise. the overall positive - revenue is up. when revenue is up then the owners and players are happy. let's play some hockey

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So whats going to happen with Frattin ? is this guy a permanent HS scratch now ?

Is Lewis going to go 70+ games this season without a point ?

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So whats going to happen with Frattin ? is this guy a permanent HS scratch now ?

Is Lewis going to go 70+ games this season without a point ?
What's sad is Frattin was starting to play well right before getting hurt and hasn't found his way back in the lineup.

I guess the problem is he's a winger and the Kings needed a center to replace Fraser. Vey is the center who should be in the lineup right now, not Lewis.

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