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who adjusted their game the best to account for their aging??

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09-14-2013, 12:57 PM
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both jagr and mario were able to be themselves (i.e., absolutely dominant offensive threats) by slowing down the game to their speed once they lost their youthful legs.

but i think among players i've seen (so no howe), gretzky takes the cake. i mean, the guy physically peaked somewhere in the ballpark of 22. by 25, he was already modifying his game to prolong his ability to dominate offensively, and set himself the crazy dare of averaging 2 assists per game. testing out just what he could do while de-emphasizing his goal scoring abilities allowed him to put up 40 playoff points and then win one last art ross post-suter hit, once he started skating even more like a guy carrying a piano on his back.

led the league in assists and was still top five in points at 36 and 37. still top ten in assists (6th, two assists out of the top five) in his last season. but then gordie howe scored 100 points at 40, so i'm sure he was something else too.

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09-14-2013, 12:59 PM
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Thomas is great example. He established himself as the best goalie right before his retirement.
or sean burke. his reflexes and athleticism slip at the same time as the stand-up game he built his career on became obsolete. trained with benoit allaire and completely reinvented himself as a shot-blocking butterfly goalie, and has the highest vezina finishes of his career in phoenix.

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09-14-2013, 01:43 PM
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Ya, several goalies switched up & changed their games, Brodeur, & Osgoode the two more notable; Sean Burke as well who's gone on to do a terrific job as Director of Player Development, Goalie Coach & Assistant GM in Phoenix. Tutored Bryzgalov, Mike Smith & the teams depth players & junior prospects.

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09-15-2013, 01:04 PM
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If you're looking for active players, Joe Thornton's a good name. When he stopped being able to throw up 100 points at will he began to seriously commit to a stellar two-way game and now he's better than ever.
In 15 seasons Thornton has three 100 point years. Hardly an "at will" 100 pointer.

And I wouldn't call him a stellar two-way player or better than ever.

How about Rick Green late in his career with Montreal?

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09-15-2013, 01:25 PM
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Howe, Gretzky, Yzerman. Those 3 are the first that come to mind for me, anyhow.

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09-15-2013, 02:25 PM
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Players like Selänne, Jagr and Lidström didn't change one bit.

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If you're looking for active players, Joe Thornton's a good name. When he stopped being able to throw up 100 points at will he began to seriously commit to a stellar two-way game and now he's better than ever.
This "now he's better than ever" when talking about a 34 year old guy, while not theoretically improbable, I don't buy it. And no, I haven't seen him play, so I don't know, I'm only cynical.

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09-15-2013, 03:01 PM
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Eric Lindros AINEC

Some of the players being mentioned didnt change really, they just maintained a high level.

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09-15-2013, 04:11 PM
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Players like Selänne, Jagr and Lidström didn't change one bit.



This "now he's better than ever" when talking about a 34 year old guy, while not theoretically improbable, I don't buy it. And no, I haven't seen him play, so I don't know, I'm only cynical.
Well, I'd say if 33 year old, slower Jagr scored 54 goals, it's because he changed his game somewhat. He didn't dangle through defensemen like he did in his mid 20s at that point.

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09-16-2013, 04:31 AM
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Well, I'd say if 33 year old, slower Jagr scored 54 goals, it's because he changed his game somewhat. He didn't dangle through defensemen like he did in his mid 20s at that point.
Jagr could hold off defenders with his size and didn't only have to dangle to score goals. If he only could dangle to score goals he wouldn't have been Jagr.

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How did Lindros change his game? In Toronto and Dallas he was a shell of his former playing self and couldn't play like he did before, but what did he do good instead? Or are you talking about when he was with the Rangers?

I remember his last playoffs with Dallas against Vancouver you almost couldn't tell or know he was on that team. It was like "Who's that big guy on the Dallas team playing on the fourth line? Oh, it's Eric Lindros".

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09-16-2013, 05:24 AM
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Not sure if this pick fits the thread, but I somehow feel Trottier should be mentioned. After not being useful offensively he focused on defense and became contributor to two another Cups.

I'm sure there is a plenty of players who switched from offensive to defensive to save their career.
I.e. Rob Niedermayer or Bobby Holik were drafted with expectations of development into scoring forward, after limited success as high scoring forwards they changed their game and lasted long.

Kovalchuk is similar story, from pure sniper to premier two-way winger.

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09-16-2013, 06:16 AM
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Red Kelly perhaps? Was probably the 3rd best d-men if all time when converted to full time center with the leafs and was a very good contributor for them in their 60's cup teams as a center.

Dave Andreychuk is another. A goal scoring winger, who transferred himself into a defensive monster with TB during their cup run, taking alot of the key defensive draws. Couldn't believe this was the same guy I saw in Buffalo and Toronto.


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Not sure if this pick fits the thread, but I somehow feel Trottier should be mentioned. After not being useful offensively he focused on defense and became contributor to two another Cups.
No sure Trots qualifies to be honest.
He was always strong defensively and in the faceoff circle. He really didn't have to change anything to assume his new role IMO.

Yzerman might be one of the better examples, Modano is another name that came to mind. Big Mac for sure.

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Eric Lindros AINEC

Some of the players being mentioned didnt change really, they just maintained a high level.


This was a joke right?

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09-16-2013, 07:07 AM
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Thomas is great example. He established himself as the best goalie right before his retirement.
He didnt adjust his game though...

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What do you guys feel about Rod Brind'Amour? Did he change or was it just that the DPE did not suit him so he just re-emerged after the cancelled season?

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09-16-2013, 08:13 AM
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Rod became better defensively as he aged but I think the main reason behind his longevity was that he was a fitness nut long before it became de rigueur.

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09-16-2013, 11:00 AM
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How did Lindros change his game? In Toronto and Dallas he was a shell of his former playing self and couldn't play like he did before, but what did he do good instead? Or are you talking about when he was with the Rangers?

I remember his last playoffs with Dallas against Vancouver you almost couldn't tell or know he was on that team. It was like "Who's that big guy on the Dallas team playing on the fourth line? Oh, it's Eric Lindros".
pretty sure he was being sarcastic. because yeah, when lindros was good he couldn't or wouldn't make the necessary adjustment to prolong his career (head's up). and then after he had that last concussion, he did adjust his game, but to become more of a perimeter player, and he was much much worse.

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09-16-2013, 03:25 PM
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Like Jagr and Yzerman for this one. Both were substantially different players at 35 than they were at 25, but still very valuable.

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Gretzky comes to mind. Not like he wasn't THE elite playmaker before hand, but after the Suter hit in 1991 he lost a lot of his speed and then had to rely more on his smarts and his playmaking more than ever.

Hard to say how long Stan Mikita would have lasted had he stayed the way he was early in his career. Mikita was a jumpy, little pesky player on the ice in his early career. He was 165 pounds soaking wet though and I don't think his body would have held up for 22 years had he kept playing that style. As it was, Mikita transformed his game to the point where he won the Hart, Art Ross and Lady Byng in the same season - twice - and then still put up "pretty good" numbers in the 1970s.

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Players like Selänne, Jagr and Lidström didn't change one bit.



This "now he's better than ever" when talking about a 34 year old guy, while not theoretically improbable, I don't buy it. And no, I haven't seen him play, so I don't know, I'm only cynical.
I think Selanne adjusted his game a lot. In the 90s, his game was all about speed, "The Finnish Flash." During his late career resurgence, he seemed to rely more on controlling the puck in the offensive zone, his shot, and the power play.

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Well, I'd say if 33 year old, slower Jagr scored 54 goals, it's because he changed his game somewhat. He didn't dangle through defensemen like he did in his mid 20s at that point.
Jagr even at age 33-34 (the season where he scored 54 goals) had great hands (still does now) but the reason why you didn't see him score a lot of highlight reel goals and don't much anymore either is because he lost the blow by speed he had in his 20's.

He never lost his dangles. The Rangers version of Jagr was an older, slower, but bigger, heavier and stronger version who played a lot more along the boards. Jagr also developped a lethal snap/wrist/ slap combination with the Rangers in 2005-06 when he scored 24 powerplay goals early on in his career Jagr couldn't even shoot a slapshot.

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Bobby Hull. When he lost some speed, he used line mates like Hedberg and Nilsson to utilize their speed. They, in turn, benefited from his shot, experience and grittiness. Hard to say how he would have handled the NHL as he got older though. I'm thinking he would have aged more like Lafleur.

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09-16-2013, 05:55 PM
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When I see names being thrown around like Thomas, it makes me think that a lot of posters are confusing this thread with "Players that got better with age or still played at a high level as they got older". This isn't about that at all.

Lidstrom never really changed as a player, he did improve but always played the game the same way.

Players like Selanne, Jagr and Yzerman did change their games quite a bit. All 3 of them had exceptional speed when they were young but fine tuned their game to compensate for their loss of speed and athleticsm as they aged.

Selanne relied far less on the speed and rushes in his mid to late 30's and became a powerplay specialist almost to the tune of a young Brett Hull.

Yzerman went from being all flash to becoming a great two-way player.

Jagr went from being a skinny, fast one-on-one player to becoming a better all-around offensive player who had the size and strength to make up for his loss of speed. I myself like the 2005-06 version of Jagr better than say the 1995-96 version.

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I try to put it further: most players change their game styles from offense to defense - mostly. Or some players like Mikita were mentioned who calmed down a little bit. In some sense it's a regress.

Are there players who weren't used offensively and when they get the chance or have to do it, change their game from defensive to offensive play and become successful? I don't mean some rookies who have to beat themselves from bottom line to top, but players who really changed their styles in terms from defensive play to offensive. Sleeping giants.

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I try to put it further: most players change their game styles from offense to defense - mostly. Or some players like Mikita were mentioned who calmed down a little bit. In some sense it's a regress.

Are there players who weren't used offensively and when they get the chance or have to do it, change their game from defensive to offensive play and become successful? I don't mean some rookies who have to beat themselves from bottom line to top, but players who really changed their styles in terms from defensive play to offensive. Sleeping giants.
Knuble might fit this bill somewhat but not enough.

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