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07-07-2005, 12:24 AM
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Scott Walker on TEAM 1040 Vancouver

I, like most have felt the seemingly unending train of optimism that has followed the CBA talks of late, but listening to an interview with nashville's Scott Walker on the TEAM 1040 has put a serious damper on my optimism and presented a new problem that I think most take for granted. Walker said that he believes the ratification process will be extremely close and his gut feeling is that it will be 60/40 AGAINST RATIFICATION. He went on to say that even if it passes he feels many who vote against will leave to play in europe.

Anyways something to consider for those who believe that "agreeing in principle" is the end of the line....apparently there is even more to worry about is this GIANT MESS.

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let them leave to europe.

From what many Nhlers said, life in North America as a hockey player is much better. Plus there isn't MANY Nhlers that can make the same amount of money over there then in the US AND CANADA. If revenues go up, they get more $$ as well. I think it's just BS.

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Hey JR

Not Greedy Spoiled Athletes????

I just lost a lot of respect for Scott Walker

Obviosly he cares more about driving porsches instead of Benzes and Beemers so Scott Walker can KI$$ my A$$

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I see some of the NHLPA members think they're still playing poker.

At this point, it just comes across as rather pathetic.

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Why would they vote against? Why is it that nobody who's communicating with somebody saying they think it won't pass asking that very question?

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Hey JR

Not Greedy Spoiled Athletes????

I just lost a lot of respect for Scott Walker

Obviosly he cares more about driving porsches instead of Benzes and Beemers so Scott Walker can KI$$ my A$$
I still don't get this line about the players being the greedy one in this mess. Both sides are at fault for screwing people out of hockey over money, not just one. It's millionaires and billionaires for crying out loud. And I'd guess the lower salary scale players (like Walker) are much closer to genuine financial pressure after losing a year's salary than the BOG.

Furthermore, voting against ratification doesn't mean the players are "greedy." Rather, it means they're unhappy with the CBA presented which has hundreds upon hundreds of facets besides salary measures. Although I don't expect it to be overturned in the ratification process (provided the PA's executive board comes out unaminously or heavily in favor of approving it), it wouldn't suprise me if it happened and the players asked for concessions on some of the lower-end stuff. The BOG has clearly gotten what they wanted in the form of salary structure. If they pushed through several unpopular amendments in addition to this, it will be an extremely hard sell to the players.

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So, all of these NHL'ers who aren't European in the first place are going to make their wives and children move to Europe just because they "lost" and will make a million or two less than what they might have made when the Sport was making no money? They're going to leave their families and make their spouses and children leave their friends to go to a foreign place where more often than not the Canadians and North Americans don't speak the language, don't know the customs, don't know the people in the leagues just to stick up for their pride? I don't buy it, this may be the case for a year, or two at the most, but odds are that when the league is about the settle down, the big names, the people who are used to the NHL will be back.

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If that happened I would laugh my ass off at certain nhl owners. I doubt it'll happen but wow would that be great or what! Crosby to Europe and another year locked out. Maybe then Bettman and Goodnow will get canned.

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Sorry....but not in a million years can I see this, it will be at LEAST 80/20 for the CBA. Walker is just trying to stir up crap to get players who were 50/50 on it to vote against.

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If that happened I would laugh my ass off at certain nhl owners. I doubt it'll happen but wow would that be great or what! Crosby to Europe and another year locked out. Maybe then Bettman and Goodnow will get canned.
Firing Bettman and Goodenow would be moot, since a second season lost would very likely destroy the NHL and NHLPA.

Who'd be laughing then?

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I still don't get this line about the players being the greedy one in this mess. Both sides are at fault for screwing people out of hockey over money, not just one. It's millionaires and billionaires for crying out loud. And I'd guess the lower salary scale players (like Walker) are much closer to genuine financial pressure after losing a year's salary than the BOG.

Furthermore, voting against ratification doesn't mean the players are "greedy." Rather, it means they're unhappy with the CBA presented which has hundreds upon hundreds of facets besides salary measures. Although I don't expect it to be overturned in the ratification process (provided the PA's executive board comes out unaminously or heavily in favor of approving it), it wouldn't suprise me if it happened and the players asked for concessions on some of the lower-end stuff. The BOG has clearly gotten what they wanted in the form of salary structure. If they pushed through several unpopular amendments in addition to this, it will be an extremely hard sell to the players.
if your unhappy with it, FIRE YOUR BOSS!!!!!!!!!!! thats life. this is a 2 way street. they are NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT, its not the nhl saying to the players, heres what we offer, take it or leave. if you are bad at negotiating, ITS YOUR FAULT, GROW SOME, GROW UP and go to work. if you dont like it, too bad, try to do a better job the next time you NEGOTIATE a cba. and to those players saying they will leave for europe. BYE, we aint gonna miss you. there were great players before you and will be great ones after you.

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this could also just be blabber to increase the PA's leverage...though negotiations appear to be complete.

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Interesting for a 1st post... anyone else hear it?
I heard the part where he was cutting down Avery. They had that on TSN. Georges Laraque from the Oilers was cutting down Avery too. I'm not sure what else Walker said but I don't remember him saying anything about the 60/40 against ratification. But they didn't have Walker's whole interview on TSN either, so I can't confirm or deny.

But if Walker did say that, he's an idiot and I too have lost respect for him. Clearly he's just trying to stir up a last ditch effort to try and have things more in favor of the players. But too bad for him, this thing will be done! And IF the players somehow are ******** enough to vote against ratification we can all kiss the NHL goodbye. And 3/4 of the players would be jobless for a long time and never see millions again.

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this is a joke...if it doesnt get done and the players dont ratify, you can kiss the NHL goodbye in my eyes.

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this is a joke...if it doesnt get done and the players dont ratify, you can kiss the NHL goodbye in my eyes.
Great minds think alike.

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I heard the part where he was cutting down Avery. They had that on TSN. Georges Laraque from the Oilers was cutting down Avery too. I'm not sure what else Walker said but I don't remember him saying anything about the 60/40 against ratification. But they didn't have Walker's whole interview on TSN either, so I can't confirm or deny.

But if Walker did say that, he's an idiot and I too have lost respect for him. Clearly he's just trying to stir up a last ditch effort to try and have things more in favor of the players. But too bad for him, this thing will be done! And IF the players somehow are ******** enough to vote against ratification we can all kiss the NHL goodbye. And 3/4 of the players would be jobless for a long time and never see millions again.

Nice choice of words...

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Nice choice of words...
Ditto!

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Haha...well heres to hoping scott walker is wrong, and JR can run house!!

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Some of these guys might HAVE to go play in europe because this new CBA will force teams to make some tough decisions on who to keep and who to buy out as they replace their older, more expensive players with younger, and far more cheaper players.

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I listened to the entire interview, and Walker didn't say that he had a gut feeling that it would be a 60/40 vote against ratification, he said that he feared that it could be one of a few possible scenarios that could play out. He went on to say that he hasn't heard from the PA in weeks, even though he is Nashville's player rep, and that he found the whole situation to be very confusing. Nothing in the interview gave me the impression of greed on Walker's part...he was just speaking openly and frankly about the situation.

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If the players vote against this CBA they might as well hand Bob Goodenow back the reigns and let him lead them even deeper into the grave they've dug for themselves. Honestly, I still can't for the life of me figure out how the PA could turn down 42.5 million when the rest of the entire hockey world KNEW that the cap number would only decline from then on in.

I could understand them voting against it if they had any type of leverage, or advantage in any area of these negotiations, but they have none of the sort. It's a situation where their leadership made a major miscalculation in hopes that the owners would back off, they gambled and they lost. They need to accept defeat instead of continuing on this path to oblivion. I just don't see an end game here if they don't ratify this, where do they go? what's the next step here?

Sign the damn deal, and move on. The owners are stronger in so many aspects of this process, they have more public support, the owners are much wealthier than the players and have other businesses they can feed their families off of, the players have already conceded their major philisophical arguments in this bargaining process, and the owners are just simply not opening the doors until they get a deal they like, simple as that.

Let's hope the players are smart enough to realize all of this.

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I, like most have felt the seemingly unending train of optimism that has followed the CBA talks of late, but listening to an interview with nashville's Scott Walker on the TEAM 1040 has put a serious damper on my optimism and presented a new problem that I think most take for granted. Walker said that he believes the ratification process will be extremely close and his gut feeling is that it will be 60/40 AGAINST RATIFICATION. He went on to say that even if it passes he feels many who vote against will leave to play in europe.

Anyways something to consider for those who believe that "agreeing in principle" is the end of the line....apparently there is even more to worry about is this GIANT MESS.
Bah. This is the same guy who spouted union rhetoric from the outset but couldn't explain one position his union had. He's a Goodenow sheep from what I can see and like a good soldier he's trying his best to throw a wrench into it like Tanabe was doing the other day.

Sure let them go to Europe it was always and will always be an option for many players. But the money is and will be in the NHL and as such it will always have and attract the top talent in the world and be the best league in the world.

My guess is this gets ratified in a landslide.

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I have the same gut feeling. Walker is talking out of his buttocks.

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I have the same gut feeling. Walker is talking out of his buttocks.
he's pretty good at that.

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I believe that there are

more grinders in the league than stars and as a poster above stated, would eb an 80/20 split that they accept this agreement.

The 20% would be most of the top players in the game.

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