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09-16-2013, 02:19 PM
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Diaz is a barely average offense only DMan. DMen like that on a team are acceptable if you have a rock solid defense as a whole

We dont have that yet here in Montreal so we cannot afford that luxury.

I would much rather prefer to give up the few potential points that he will deliver and replace that with someone who is more defensively oriented.

I watched Tinordi skate the puck up the ice yesterday. He is more than adequate in that job. He is also superior to Diaz defensively.

Diaz and Drewiske are Depth. DDD.

Try to move Diaz this season. Gradually we will get away from the concept of trying to win Cups with undersized DMen who really dont play defense.
I am sure ppl. were writing off Streit when he first started with the habs. His defensive game wasn't that good either ...

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i think it's more related to therrien deciding to change the whole strategy than it has to do with personel
Well hopefully he plays PK more on the PK this year.

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I am sure ppl. were writing off Streit when he first started with the habs. His defensive game wasn't that good either ...
First of all Streit is a much better offensive defenseman than Diaz, not even in the same breath. But Streit's defensive game is still bad. I don't put much stock in +/- stats but he's been a minus practically his whole career. 5 on 5 he's still a liability when playoffs roll around.

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With McDonagh there is a good chance we wouldn't have had Galchenyuk. That trade was so bad that some good may have come of it.
This is what I tell to myself to ease the pain. But imagine if we had both of these players... Just trade for him already!

Eller+1st+Beaulieu vs McDonagh+something else

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Thought i would share! Best part is from 6.20 and till the end

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Oh this should be good. Marinaro is an absolute ****ing moron. I hope Lucic called him out on all his **** talking.

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The truth comes out about Habs embellishing.

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lol love what he said about PK. Marinaro is such a tool.

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This is what I tell to myself to ease the pain. But imagine if we had both of these players... Just trade for him already!

Eller+1st+Beaulieu vs McDonagh+something else
I offer-sheeted McDonagh in NHL 12 GM Mode 4 yrs $6m.

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I am sure ppl. were writing off Streit when he first started with the habs. His defensive game wasn't that good either ...
That's kind of my point.

We have history with the approach of using DMen similar to Streit. And we got nowhere with it.

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That was probably two of marinaros best interviews

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First of all Streit is a much better offensive defenseman than Diaz, not even in the same breath. But Streit's defensive game is still bad. I don't put much stock in +/- stats but he's been a minus practically his whole career. 5 on 5 he's still a liability when playoffs roll around.
Streit didn't hit 60 points until he was 30 or so. Late bloomer, and Diaz could be the same. I think he was either the same age or older than Diaz is now in his NHL rookie season. Streit got 36 points in his sophomore season with the Habs. That was in 76 games played. Diaz got 14 in 23 games played in his sophomore year. That's not to say he will ever compare with Streit offensively, but I would not count him out either. Streit was certainly not outperforming Diaz when he was the same age.


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Every time I see/hear him in interviews, he doesn't sound anything like the dumbass he is on the ice.

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Good Lord. "Way better. Great at... Don't belong in the same sentence.". You'd actually think he was our best d-man in last years' playoffs reading that, not our worst.
Way better than Bouillon. And he was very good last year.

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Streit didn't hit 60 points until he was 30 or so. Late bloomer, and Diaz could be the same. I think he was either the same age or older than Diaz is now in his NHL rookie season. Streit got 36 points in his sophomore season with the Habs. That was in 76 games played. Diaz got 14 in 23 games played in his sophomore year. That's not to say he will ever compare with Streit offensively, but I would not count him out either. Streit was certainly not outperforming Diaz when he was the same age.
That means sit Diaz in the pressbox until something good comes out of him.

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Only problem is he's afraid of his own shadow. He's another October champion we have in our lineup that can't and won't ever be useful in the playoffs.
He's not afraid of his own shadow he just isn't big and plays to his strengths instead of his weakness. He's good positionally, with his sticks and he's a good shot blocker. He, and players like him, absolutely can succeed in the playoffs.

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That means sit Diaz in the pressbox until something good comes out of him.
He will improve in the pressbox?

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He will improve in the pressbox?
If we have to endure 4 years of mediocre play before he pans out he better get back to Switzerland or sign a contract elsewhere.

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That means sit Diaz in the pressbox until something good comes out of him.
Habs have turned it into a literal box you press, not unlike a Play-Doh fun factory.

Here's to hoping we see a star-shaped Diaz in the near future.

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If we have to endure 4 years of mediocre play before he pans out he better get back to Switzerland or sign a contract elsewhere.
Who said we have to endure 4 years? If the guy has what the scouts saw in him we should be seeing some more indication of it this year. Even if he is a piece we feel we don't need, he could potentially raise his stock before the deadline.

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He's not afraid of his own shadow he just isn't big and plays to his strengths instead of his weakness. He's good positionally, with his sticks and he's a good shot blocker. He, and players like him, absolutely can succeed in the playoffs.
Don't get your hopes up. By the time we are a contender Diaz won't be in the picture and he won't be part of the picture for any contending NHL team. He can thank the Habs he even has a job in the NHL because I don't know many teams that draft or trade for fragile positionally sound defensemen that are not an offensive force.

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Diaz is a barely average offense only DMan. DMen like that on a team are acceptable if you have a rock solid defense as a whole

We dont have that yet here in Montreal so we cannot afford that luxury.

I would much rather prefer to give up the few potential points that he will deliver and replace that with someone who is more defensively oriented.

I watched Tinordi skate the puck up the ice yesterday. He is more than adequate in that job. He is also superior to Diaz defensively.

Diaz and Drewiske are Depth. DDD.

Try to move Diaz this season. Gradually we will get away from the concept of trying to win Cups with undersized DMen who really dont play defense.
this....

can't stand diaz one bit and sad to say i prefer bouillon than him

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First of all Streit is a much better offensive defenseman than Diaz, not even in the same breath. But Streit's defensive game is still bad. I don't put much stock in +/- stats but he's been a minus practically his whole career. 5 on 5 he's still a liability when playoffs roll around.
I have to agree with you about Streit's skill set but if my memory serves me correctly Gainey could have signed him to a 2 year contract for about $2 million per year. For a #5 or #6 defenseman who is a PP specialist, it would have been a bargain.

Subsequently we spent a lot more than that to get players to fill that role who were far less talented than Streit.

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confusing defense and effective defense? defense is defense dude: are you limiting chances against, are you minimizing and boxing out shots, cutting passing lanes et cetera. if you don't do any of them then you're not playing defense at all; you're just running around like phaneuf in his own end.

say what you want about martin but look at the team's record - seasons and playoffs - then looks at the roster he had to play with + injuries. argue he was boring, yeah, but the results were there

and we never under martin "sagged back to the net", or at least nowhere near as much as were doing it now. martin would always have two forwards pressuring the blueline for quick counter-attacks. therrien has everyone and their pets collapsing back to the net - which i find completely retarded but what do you know...

besides, what they hell is defensive hockey if that isn't it?

under martin: passive? yes. not aggressive on the forecheck? yes. sitting on leads just 'cause? yes () but what in the chinese hell (it's a place where you eat mooncakes all year long i heard) is an aggressive defense? like, grimacing a lot? fighting? chasing guys out of position to hit them? blueline pressure? inquiring minds wants to know
Pressure on the puck. Two players attack the player with the puck. The same thing Boston did when they won the Cup. The same system that Therrien introduced in Montreal last season.

Martin's defense did not call for pressure on the puck. When the other team made entry into our defensive zone, it was positional play, not attacking play. It always looked like we were on a PK during the Martin years.

You are forgetting that Halak had to regularly stop 40-50 shots + during the playoff run.

Anyways, hope the Habs kick some Bruins ass tonight.

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Diaz is a barely average offense only DMan. DMen like that on a team are acceptable if you have a rock solid defense as a whole

We dont have that yet here in Montreal so we cannot afford that luxury.

I would much rather prefer to give up the few potential points that he will deliver and replace that with someone who is more defensively oriented.

I watched Tinordi skate the puck up the ice yesterday. He is more than adequate in that job. He is also superior to Diaz defensively.

Diaz and Drewiske are Depth. DDD.

Try to move Diaz this season. Gradually we will get away from the concept of trying to win Cups with undersized DMen who really dont play defense.
Can't disagree too much with that analysis. You have to think Pateryn will come closer to filling the team needs if he continues to develop.

If you look at a combo of Beaulieu and Pateryn as compared to Bouillon and Diaz it is exciting. It isn't unrealistic to think that Beaulieu, Tinordi and Pateryn could all be with the team next year... or even by the end of this year.

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