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09-18-2013, 10:54 AM
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Ok, this Bernier hype is getting a little outta hand.

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Bernier looked incredibly comfortable in net last night and not once was I worried about a goal being scored on him other than when he made that sick poke check (and I was only worried because I'm not used to that kind of play by any of our goalies recently). If he plays that comfortably all te time than I would much rather him in net than Reiner. I love Reimer but there's definitely times where he plays like he's not comfortable. Just my opinion here
Maybe if it resulted in more wins then sure, but despite how "uncomfortable" Reimer looks in net, his stats and his wins speak for themselves. The end more than justifies the means.

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Why is this #TeamReimer vs #TeamBernier ??

Like Carlyle said, you win and your in, it's as simple as that. Both are great young goalies. Something we haven't had since Potvin, (and that was just one great young goalie).

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i see as good as Carey Price and u can sign me the **** up... get off Reimers dick everyone... we finally have a legit goalie, puckhandling is huge for the defence and makes it so much easier to get the puck out.....just watching when he was playing in the preseason game and u can tell a huge difference.... he is soft in the net which is unreal as well.... guys this is a good thing and if Bernier flops we have Reimer who is challenging to be a #1. No matter who wins the goalie battle its only GOOD for us.

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Bernier hasnt proven squat in the NHL. Remember how Toskala was a top goalie stuck as a back up? Recall how Gus was the top goalie in Europe? Remember how Raycroft was a young Calder winner? Weve been spoon fed junk about our goalies since Belfour so forgive me if im not willing to throw Reimer under the bus for the newest shiny toy
lmao.... Bernier is a goalie who got beat out by the Stanley cup champion and MVP Jonathen Quick... its not like he was beating out Ben scrivens for the #1 job... Reimer is a 1b goalie guys, he is good but he isn't going to steal u games... everyone is saying **** about Carey Price but Carey Price is one of the best goalies in the league and one of my favourite to watch.... if Bernier handles the puck just as well thats a huge plus and something Reimer will ever do... he never leaves his net and is the reason why we were pinned in our own end. Bernier is a 1A goalie, Reimer is a 1B goalie difference being one is a franchise type of goalie and one is the type who are "good" but never elite. If Reimer wins the goalie battle i will be very happy for him, and i will eat all my words and say he is a franchise type of goalie but i dont see it, while Reimer was battling Scrivens Bernier was behind the stanley cup champion quick and (not to be racist or anythign) but they kept the american over the canadian for publicity too (read it in an article not my own fact).

LA didn't want to trade Bernier, and i dont see how people aren't goo goo gaa gaa over him because he is the real deal (lmao so is Reimer )

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I'm done wit this forum. Jesus with the goalie drought we have bad since Belfour are you guys really picking apart price lol.

Reimer is overrated here.
Thank god we have a guy to take the reigns tho.
Um okay?

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Reimer vs bernier is the new kadri vs frattin..

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Reimer vs bernier is the new kadri vs frattin..
more Grabo vs Bozak

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Reimer vs bernier is the new kadri vs frattin..
More like the new Gardiner vs Rielly.

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Bernier hasnt proven squat in the NHL. Remember how Toskala was a top goalie stuck as a back up? Recall how Gus was the top goalie in Europe? Remember how Raycroft was a young Calder winner? Weve been spoon fed junk about our goalies since Belfour so forgive me if im not willing to throw Reimer under the bus for the newest shiny toy
Nailed it.
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lmao.... Bernier is a goalie who got beat out by the Stanley cup champion and MVP Jonathen Quick... its not like he was beating out Ben scrivens for the #1 job... Reimer is a 1b goalie guys, he is good but he isn't going to steal u games... everyone is saying **** about Carey Price but Carey Price is one of the best goalies in the league and one of my favourite to watch.... if Bernier handles the puck just as well thats a huge plus and something Reimer will ever do... he never leaves his net and is the reason why we were pinned in our own end. Bernier is a 1A goalie, Reimer is a 1B goalie difference being one is a franchise type of goalie and one is the type who are "good" but never elite. If Reimer wins the goalie battle i will be very happy for him, and i will eat all my words and say he is a franchise type of goalie but i dont see it, while Reimer was battling Scrivens Bernier was behind the stanley cup champion quick and (not to be racist or anythign) but they kept the american over the canadian for publicity too (read it in an article not my own fact).

LA didn't want to trade Bernier, and i dont see how people aren't goo goo gaa gaa over him because he is the real deal (lmao so is Reimer )
First of all, if LA didn't want to trade Bernier, they wouldn't have traded Bernier. This post is mostly about opinions than facts. You believe that Bernier is 1A goalie, Reimer is 1B; yet provide little facts to prove it. Is puckhandling skills everything that differentiates a good and an elite goalie?

According to your post, Bernier is basically a goalie with skill level somewhere between Quick's level, and Reimer's level. But Bernier couldn't beat out a goalie with the exact same save % as Reimer; all while playing behind a defense much better than that of Leafs. Heck, Reimer has better win % with Leafs than Quick has with Kings. Even when it comes to playoffs, it took Quick 3 years to get that MVP performance and was absolutely crushed in 6 games in both of first two years in playoffs. Reimer has fared much better in his only playoff appearance. Point here is not to prove that Reimer is better than Quick (he isn't); but if Bernier can't beat Quick's win % with team, what warrants that he'd beat Reimer (needless to say, Reimer's 100 point pace includes his concussion period too).

Point is: You make Quick sound like a year-in year-out Vezina candidate (which is isn't), and Reimer as some NHL goalie who can't be a reliable NHL starter (which he has already proven to some extent); and conveniently tell us that Bernier is a 1A goalie, without any track record to prove it.

Last time I checked, of all hockey players; goalies are the ones where potential is the toughest to judge as development isn't a linear path. Yet, it appears that you have everything figured out that Bernier would be an elite goalie.

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09-18-2013, 11:33 AM
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They did have to trade Bernier, he's wanted out since last off-season. They told him they would find him a place.

Watch DL and Hextall's interviews after the trade. Both say Toronto is getting their #1 goalie. I'm sure they are aware of Reimer.

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They did have to trade Bernier, he's wanted out since last off-season. They told him they would find him a place.

Watch DL and Hextall's interviews after the trade. Both say Toronto is getting their #1 goalie. I'm sure they are aware of Reimer.
To be fair, what are they suppose to say? That we got a career back up?

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To be fair, what are they suppose to say? That we got a career back up?
Don't say anything, just talk about Frattin and Scrivy.

Say Toronto is getting a good goalie and you wish Berny well.

Both didn't have to say that we got our number 1 goalie.

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Bernier hasnt proven squat in the NHL. Remember how Toskala was a top goalie stuck as a back up? Recall how Gus was the top goalie in Europe? Remember how Raycroft was a young Calder winner? Weve been spoon fed junk about our goalies since Belfour so forgive me if im not willing to throw Reimer under the bus for the newest shiny toy
Amen

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Point is: You make Quick sound like a year-in year-out Vezina candidate (which is isn't)
he pretty much has been since bernier arrived in los angeles.

some think reimer will emerge the #1, some think bernier will emerge the #1. do we really care which of them does it, as long as one of them does?

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Why is this #TeamReimer vs #TeamBernier ??

Like Carlyle said, you win and your in, it's as simple as that. Both are great young goalies. Something we haven't had since Potvin, (and that was just one great young goalie).
Funny because when I was watching the first pre-season game I saw someone with a sign that said "Team Reimer" haha

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So much negativity in this thread.

There shouldn't be any arguing at all...one of our goalies played great last year, and the other just got a very high form of praise.

For once our goaltending outlook is fantastic. I for one am happy about that - no matter who starts. People need to stop being insulted that Reimer has some healthy competition.

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that's not true at all.

and commence with going through their track records.....
A.Raycroft (26): Career: 108gms, .908sv% (Plyf: 7gms, .924sv%), Best Yr: 57gms, .926sv% (Plyf: 7gms, .924sv%) + ROY Trophy
V.Toskala (30): Career: 115gms, .914sv% (Plyf: 11gms, .910sv%), Best Yr: 28gms, .930sv%
J.Bernier (25): Career: 62gms, .912sv% (Plyf: 1gms, 1.000sv%), Best Yr: 14gms, .922sv% (Plyf: 1gms, 1.000sv%)

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he pretty much has been since bernier arrived in los angeles.
actually, right at the point where everyone thought top pick elite AHL stats Bernier would step in and become LA's goalie of the future, the unheralded "less talented" 3rd round pick Quick just plain came in (came in all the way from the ECHL, in fact) and stole that title from the much, much more highly touted Bernier.

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A.Raycroft (26): Career: 108gms, .908sv% (Plyf: 7gms, .924sv%), Best Yr: 57gms, .926sv% (Plyf: 7gms, .924sv%) + ROY Trophy
V.Toskala (30): Career: 115gms, .914sv% (Plyf: 11gms, .910sv%), Best Yr: 28gms, .930sv%
J.Bernier (25): Career: 62gms, .912sv% (Plyf: 1gms, 1.000sv%), Best Yr: 14gms, .922sv% (Plyf: 1gms, 1.000sv%)
I think bernier's Stanley cup championship, qmjhl championship, ahl goalie of the year award give him a better track record coming to the leafs than those others.

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A.Raycroft (26): Career: 108gms, .908sv% (Plyf: 7gms, .924sv%), Best Yr: 57gms, .926sv% (Plyf: 7gms, .924sv%) + ROY Trophy
V.Toskala (30): Career: 115gms, .914sv% (Plyf: 11gms, .910sv%), Best Yr: 28gms, .930sv%
J.Bernier (25): Career: 62gms, .912sv% (Plyf: 1gms, 1.000sv%), Best Yr: 14gms, .922sv% (Plyf: 1gms, 1.000sv%)
What are you trying to show with this?

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actually, right at the point where everyone thought top pick elite AHL stats Bernier would step in and become LA's goalie of the future, the unheralded "less talented" 3rd round pick Quick just plain came in (came in all the way from the ECHL, in fact) and stole that title from the much, much more highly touted Bernier.
yeah, that's exactly right. quick became the best goalie in the nhl right around the time bernier arrived.

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What are you trying to show with this?
That we can expect "Razor sharp goaltending".

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2007-08

J.Bernier (19): 4gm/.864, AHL: 3gm/.946 (plf: 3gm/.908), WJC: 2gm/.947, QMJHL: 34gm/.908 (plf: 6gm/.918)
J.Quick (21): 3gm/.855, AHL: 19gm/.922 (plf: 1gm/.974), ECHL: 38gm/.905

Both got their first taste of NHL and AHL action in 07-08, though Bernier spent most of that year in junior while Quick spent most of it in the ECHL.

2008-09

J.Bernier (20): 0gm/.000, AHL: 54gm/.914
J.Quick (22): 44gm/.914, AHL: 14gm/.919

Both goalies started in the AHL, but Quick had the better start and was quickly promoted to the NHL with Ersberg and Labarbera struggling. His solid play forced the team to trade labarbera.

2009-10

J.Bernier (21): 3gm/.957 (plf: 0gm/.000), AHL: 58gm/.936 (plf: 16gm/.939)
J.Quick (23): 72gm/.907 (plf: 6gm/.884)

Quick and Ersberg shared goaltending duties for the NHL club, and performed decently but below average overall, and were still considered placeholders for the young stud prospect in the AHL.

2010-11

J.Bernier (22): 25gm/.913 (plf: 0gm/.000), WC: 3gm/.917
J.Quick (24): 61gm/.918 (plf: 6gm/.913)

Ersberg was shipped out, and Bernier and Quick battled it out for the starting gig. Quick flat out beat Bernier for the starting job.

2011-12

J.Bernier (23): 16gm/.909 (plf: 0gm/.000)
J.Quick (25): 69gm/.929 (plf: 20gm/.946)

Under challenge from Bernier, Quick finally has himself a legit huge year, establishing himself as a goalie capable of elite performance, and wins the cup, while Bernier struggles in a very limited backup role.

2012-13

J.Bernier (24): 14gm/.922 (1gm/1.000)
J.Quick (26): 37gm/.902 (18gm/.934)

Maybe suffering from a cup hangover, Quick has a horrendous start to the year, and for the first time Bernier shows some quality at the NHL level, and stabilizes his team as Quick gets his game back together....which he does come playoffs, and has another excellent playoff run, confining Bernier right back to the permanent backup role again.


Bernier was the goalie of the future for the Kings in 07-08, not Quick, who was only a couple of years older. He had plenty of opportunity to beat Quick out for the job before Quick established himself as a top quality goalie, but simply was outplayed, even though Quick was nothing special for his first few years.

Bernier got beat out by the unheralded young goalie competion fair and square.


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2007-08

J.Bernier (19): 4gm/.864, AHL: 3gm/.946 (plf: 3gm/.908), WJC: 2gm/.947, QMJHL: 34gm/.908 (plf: 6gm/.918)
J.Quick (21): 3gm/.855, AHL: 19gm/.922 (plf: 1gm/.974), ECHL: 38gm/.905)

2008-09

J.Bernier (20): 0gm/.000, AHL: 54gm/.914
J.Quick (22): 44gm/.914, AHL: 14gm/.919

2009-10

J.Bernier (21): 3gm/.957 (plf: 0gm/.000), AHL: 58gm/.936 (plf: 16gm/.939)
J.Quick (23): 72gm/.907 (plf: 6gm/.884)

2010-11

J.Bernier (22): 25gm/.913 (plf: 0gm/.000), WC: 3gm/.917
J.Quick (24): 61gm/.918 (plf: 6gm/.913)

At this point, Quick hadn't established himself as anything more than a mediocre starter yet, and the goalie of the future Bernier still couldn't beat him out for a job with his mediocre NHL play.

2011-12

J.Bernier (23): 16gm/.909 (plf: 0gm/.000)
J.Quick (25): 69gm/.929 (plf: 20gm/.946)

Under challenge from Bernier, Quick finally has himself a legit huge year, establishing himself as a goalie capable of elite performance, and wins the cup, while Bernier struggles in a very limited backup role.

2012-13

J.Bernier (24): 14gm/.922 (1gm/1.000)
J.Quick (26): 37gm/.902 (18gm/.934)

Maybe suffering from a cup hangover, Quick has a horrendous start to the year, and for the first time Bernier shows some quality at the NHL level, and stabilizes his team as Quick gets his game back together....which he does come playoffs, and has another excellent playoff run, confining Bernier right back to the permanent backup role again.


Bernier was the goalie of the future for the Kings in 07-08, not Quick, who was only a couple of years older. He had plenty of opportunity to beat Quick out for the job before Quick established himself as a top quality goalie, but simply was outplayed, even though Quick was nothing special for his first few years.

Bernier got beat out by the unheralded young goalie competion fair and square.
All valid points...However, that doesn't change the fact that Bernier has the potential to provide an upgrade in goal for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

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I think bernier's Stanley cup championship, qmjhl championship, ahl goalie of the year award give him a better track record coming to the leafs than those others.
I guess if you consider minor league awards as more impressive than major league accomplishments.

And I'm not sure if Bernier's .909sv% and losing record (5-6-2 in 16gms), and 0 plyff games, was much of a factor in that cup win.

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